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How Visitation Rights Work For Fathers

By: Chris Nickson - Updated: 13 Aug 2018 | comments*Discuss
 
Separated Dads Visitation Rights Contact

As a father you want to stay in close touch with your children, even after you and your partner have separated. Obviously, the best and simplest way to do this is an agreement between you and your ex, which can be made legally binding by solicitors. This means it doesn’t have to go through the courts, and will work when relations between the pair of you are amicable.

If you have Parental Responsibility, either by being married to the mother when the child was born, being present when the birth was registered and having your name on the birth certificate as the father, or through a Parental Responsibility Agreement or Parental Responsibility Order, you have rights and responsibilities to your children.

Obviously, part of that is support in financial terms, but also in emotional and legal terms, too. In return, you have contact with your children. Family Courts have a principle called “presumption of contact”, under which they have to do everything possible for fathers to see their children.

Contact Orders

Very often, Court-issued Contact Orders prove unnecessary, since arrangements will have been worked out privately or in mediation between the two parents. However, even where a Contact Order is issued, often the parents are allowed to work out the details for themselves. Before any Contact Order is issued, however, the court must take several things into consideration:

  • What the child wishes, if he or she is old enough to make any kind of decision
  • The educational and emotional needs of the child
  • Whether there’s any risk of harm to the child
  • Whether you’re capable of meeting the child’s needs during contact

These might seem possibly weighted against you, but the sole intent is for the welfare of the child. In the vast majority of cases – well over 90% – Contact Orders are granted. If it’s come to a hearing, one important factor will be the report by the Cafcass (Children and Family Court Advisory and Support Service) officer. Both parents, as well as other carers and teachers, will have been interviewed, and in most cases the court accepts the report as it stands (although you can challenge part of it or even ask for a new report from a different officer if you disagree).

Residence Order

A Residence Order determines who the children should live with. If none has been issued, then the children will stay with their mother. You can apply for a Residence Order to have full custody of your children, but realistically speaking, unless there are pressing reasons they should not stay with their mother, it’s unlikely your request will be granted custody.

Things Not To Do

When you have contact with the children, you should not attempt to take them out of the country without written permission from their mother. Even if it’s for a holiday, this needs to be discussed and permission in writing given. While you have the children, don’t say negative things about your ex-partner. It creates confusion and a bad atmosphere for the children. You have more positive things to concentrate on during your time with them, anyway.

Take at look at our article Making the Most of Your Time With Your Child for some ideas about what you can do together.

Check out the Separated Dads Forum... It's a great resource where you can ask for advice on topics including Child Access, Maintenance, CAFCASS, Fathers Rights, Court, Behaviour or simply to have a chat with other dads.

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Kev - Your Question:
I have recently found out that i’m A father of a 9 year old that I never met and was told wasn’t mine at birth. I did the honourable thing and did a paternity test with no objections through CMS. I’m the father of a child I never met and the mother claims i’m Still not and if I ever do he will not know i’m The father. I’m seeking legal advise this week but please help and advise on CMS payments and my rights. Do I have any? Do I have to pay if the mother as said above and says he’s already got a father. She said before the test she wanted the truth and me and the wife agreed i’d get it done as the mother did not tell the truth on due dates etc.

Our Response:
If you have been found to be the biological father of a child, then by law you are responsible to pay child maintenance regardless of whether you see your child or not. However, if the child is biologically your you have every right to push for access to see your child. Once you have gained initial advice, and if the mother of your child will not agree to mediation to resolve the issue, then an application to court would be your next option. The difficulty you may face is that your child may be under the illusion the other person is the father. In which case, as in all cases, the court’s main concern is the welfare of the child in question. The court will always put the child’s best interests first and this main issue will determine the outcome of any application for an order. The link here will outline the process further. If you cannot afford legal fees to represent yourself in court then you can self-litigate, please see the link here. I hope this helps.
SeparatedDads - 14-Aug-18 @ 12:53 PM
I have recently found out that i’m A father of a 9 year old that I never met and was told wasn’t mine at birth. I did the honourable thing and did a paternity test with no objections through CMS. I’m the father of a child I never met and the mother claims i’m Still not and if I ever do he will not know i’m The father. I’m seeking legal advise this week but please help and advise on CMS payments and my rights. Do I have any? Do I have to pay if the mother as said above and says he’s already got a father. She said before the test she wanted the truth and me and the wife agreed i’d get it done as the mother did not tell the truth on due dates etc.
Kev - 13-Aug-18 @ 6:51 PM
Salvatore - Your Question:
I have a son who’s turned five recently. My x partner moved away two hours away. I see him every other weekend then one Sunday the next. She’s using every excuse for me not to see him on that Sunday also won’t meet me halfway only meets me halfway when I drop him home as I refuse to drive two hours. What can I do financially and the time it takes is just stressful

Our Response:
You may be able to apply for a special expenses variation via CMS, please see link here.
SeparatedDads - 27-Jul-18 @ 2:56 PM
I have a son who’s turned five recently. My x partner moved away two hours away. I see him every other weekend then one Sunday the next. She’s using every excuse for me not to see him on that Sunday also won’t meet me halfway only meets me halfway when I drop him home as I refuse to drive two hours. What can I do financially and the time it takes is just stressful
Salvatore - 27-Jul-18 @ 1:12 PM
Johnnyc - Your Question:
Hi everyone. Just wondered if anyone could have any information that may help me. I have a 10 yr old daughter I split up with her mum in 2013 and it was a bitter break up. She denied me access so it went through the courts where I was given contact every other weekend for 2 nights and mid week contact for her to come over for dinner. My ex then moved to Scotland without my consent I had phone contact with my daughter for a short while and was in contact with her school. At the end of 2014 she stopped all contact blocked my number and moved my daughters school. I have been looking for her ever since. I pay maintenance monthly and just really want to find her. So my question is legally where do I go from here?!? P.s I have full parental responsibility. Thanks in advance john

Our Response:
You would have to refer the matter back to court. If you do not have the address, then you can apply for a C4 form. This is an application for an order for disclosure of a child's whereabouts, please see link here. If you fill in this for along with the C79 enforcement order form it means the courts can put a trace on your child in order to allow you to bring the matter to court.
SeparatedDads - 17-Jul-18 @ 3:27 PM
Hi everyone. Just wondered if anyone could have any information that may help me. I have a 10 yr old daughter I split up with her mum in 2013 and it was abitter break up. She denied me access so it went through the courts where I was given contact every other weekend for 2 nights and mid week contact for her to come over for dinner. My ex then moved to Scotland without my consent I had phone contact with my daughter for a short while and was in contact with her school. At the end of 2014 she stopped all contact blocked my number and moved my daughters school. I have been looking for her ever since. I pay maintenance monthly and just really want to find her. So my question is legally where do I go from here?!? P.s I have full parental responsibility. Thanks in advance john
Johnnyc - 16-Jul-18 @ 10:21 PM
Stu88 - Your Question:
Split up with my ex in May of 2016 while she was in early stages of pregnancy, she cut ALL contact with my family members too, fast forward 16 months & we were back in contact, I was travelling 2 & a half hours by train each week to see my son, however I felt strangely like she didn’t want me near the house. We were constantly walking around going for lunch/coffee which wasn’t sustainable financially. I found out in March that I wasn’t allowed near the house because her 11 year old daughter had decided she no longer wanted to see me. Admittedly I have had a gambling problem which I am trying to cut out (signed up to gamstop) she is using this against me & has said no to overnight access 1 night a week. I don’t know wether to bypass 1 day a week with no overnight & apply for supervised.Post is a bit rushed, my mind is all over the place & im scared as this is my first child & therefore the first time I’ve had to deal with anything like this.

Our Response:
In a case such as this, you may wish to join our Separated Dads forum in order to speak to our dads who have been through similar before. The main thing in your favour here is that you are getting help to overcome your gambling addiction. The forum advisers, may suggest that you apply for more and be willing to accept less, rather than apply for supervised and wish you would have applied for unsupervised. It may be the court would grant you supervised access for a time, leading to unsupervised when various conditions have been met.
SeparatedDads - 18-Jun-18 @ 12:14 PM
Split up with my ex in May of 2016 while she was in early stages of pregnancy, she cut ALL contact with my family members too, fast forward 16 months & we were back in contact, I was travelling 2 & a half hours by train each week to see my son, however I felt strangely like she didn’t want me near the house. We were constantly walking around going for lunch/coffee which wasn’t sustainable financially. I found out in March that I wasn’t allowed near the house because her 11 year old daughter had decided she no longer wanted to see me. Admittedly I have had a gambling problem which I am trying to cut out (signed up to gamstop) she is using this against me & has said no to overnight access 1 night a week. I don’t know wether to bypass 1 day a week with no overnight & apply for supervised. Post is a bit rushed, my mind is all over the place & im scared as this is my first child & therefore the first time I’ve had to deal with anything like this.
Stu88 - 16-Jun-18 @ 1:51 PM
I have been married to my husband for eight years and have a step daughter aged 11. He has had regular (from three months of age due to not knowing she was born) contact Tuesday Thursdays 16:30hrs-2030hrs until the age of 5 and was reduced 16:30-19:30hrs due to schooling and EVERY weekend from Friday at 16:30hrs until Sunday 18:00hrs for three years! Until it was scheduled to alternate weekends. I have been in her life since the age of 2 and have two other children with her father and have built a great relationship including her in everything that we do. Even the the length of changing scheduled and pre arranged flights from turkey as “mother forgot she had a wedding that my step daughter was part of”. Both of my children attended the local pre school in which my step daughters mother taught and I have had a brilliant relationship with her also even taking a selfie with her and my step daughter and posted on social media. My children both left her pre school September last year and she was having marriage issues. My step daughter spent a lot of time with us and amongst other life’s stresses there was a lot of pressure on me and my husband. He had a rough evening and resulted in us having a violent argument where I called the police and he was removed. I had my step daughter in my care and contacted her mother in which she did not answer then was happy for me to keep her child regardless of the situation as she was safer in my care at that time. Me and my husband have since resolved this issue with help and support and are back on track of a happy marriage. However on January 27th my step daughter was collected and removed from my home due to her reasons being “we smoke in our kitchen” which we have done forever and she has even stood in my kitchen with me whilst her other daughter (nothing to do with us) spent the afternoon playing in my garden. My step daughter got to spend her first mother’s day in eleven years with her mother this year though!! In March out of the blue after several messages my step daughter is suddenly allowed to start coming back around to our as scheduled. Then may half term, we planned a boat trip due to my step daughter not being allowed to Turkey this year (another issue) arranged Tuesday to Friday booked time off work to be told she must be back by Wednesday my step daughter did not come, untillllll Saturday I got a text she would like to stay on the boat ?!! So I went to collect her brought her in my car to the boat. I tried to contact Emmy step daughter whom was at the park with her mobile phone not far but said I would call wen I wanted her back.. I could not get connected.. it become apparent I had been blocked from her phone.. I tried to contact the mother re this matter as was dangerous when she was in my care and in my opinion unacceptable and I wanted to know why .. to realise she too had blocked me from any contact.. so I text my step daughters grandmother to pass the message to her daughter that I had tried t
Stepmum - 15-Jun-18 @ 7:33 PM
loving dad whos ex i - Your Question:
After splitting up with my fiance of 5 years I suffered a emotional break down and was hospitalised for6 days due to the shock trauma and stress of tbe break up The result of this being I caused alot of hurt and de stress to my family and friends and my ex I was refused no contact with my own son for nearly 13 weeks not aloud phone calls and even now 3years later im not aloud to be alone with my son because of my behaviour directly after the break upIve paid maintenance for 90 percent of the time and when I didnt was when my ex refud to accept it I want to find out what right I have regarding non supervised visitation I have parental responsibility and theres no history of violence or any restrictions applyed by courts Can I have time alone with my son and enjoy creating a bond with him

Our Response:
Much depends upon what the court order states going into the future. If you want unsupervised access you would have to show, prove to the courts that you are a different person. In your case, some initial legal advice may be worthwhile in order to assess whether you have a case to refer the matter back to court.
SeparatedDads - 14-Jun-18 @ 12:28 PM
Ian - Your Question:
I have no t seen my daughter since September 17 didn't see her last Birthday nor this one missed Christmas.because my ex has lied and the court will not go to proof hearing.the contact we did have threw. A contact centre broke down after my daughter was diagnosed with diabetes type one in may 17 I couldn't get proper training as I didn't have access. Any Help.

Our Response:
You would have to refer the matter back to court, if your ex will not agree to access or mediation. If you cannot afford legal representation you can self-litigate, please see link here. Proving that you are willing to get diabetes training if your visits become unsupervised wil also help.
SeparatedDads - 14-Jun-18 @ 10:26 AM
After splitting up with my fiance of 5 years i suffered a emotional break down and was hospitalised for6 days due to the shocktrauma and stress of tbe break up The result of this being i caused alot of hurt and de stress to my family and friends and my ex I was refused no contact with my own son for nearly 13 weeks not aloud phone calls and even now 3years later im not aloud to be alone with my son because of my behaviour directly after the break up Ive paid maintenance for 90 percent of the time and when i didnt was when my ex refud to accept it I want to find out what right i have regarding non supervised visitation i have parental responsibilityand theres no history of violence or any restrictions applyed by courts Can i have time alone with my son and enjoy creating a bond with him
loving dad whos ex i - 14-Jun-18 @ 2:12 AM
I have no t seen my daughter since September 17 didn't see her last Birthday nor this one missed Christmas .because my ex has lied and the court will not go to proof hearing .the contact we did have threw. A contact centre broke down after my daughter was diagnosed with diabetes type one in may 17 I couldn't get proper training as I didn't have access. Any Help.
Ian - 13-Jun-18 @ 12:58 PM
Jibbo - Your Question:
I had an affair and it caused the split in my relationship with the mother of my kids. Everything has been very amicable considering and I have access to them etc. and I pay more then the necessary child support etc so they can stay in the (wjhat was) family home.The issue is she is against the idea of me introducing them to my now partner (the person I had the affair with) even for now just as a friend of mine and I'm not sure where I go from here. The now partner is not a safeguarding risk and poses no threat whatsoever, its purely the ex sees her as the reason for the break up and doesn't want our children to see her.Any advice??

Our Response:
In a situation such as this where you cannot agree, the only option you have is to suggest mediation, please see link here . Trying to be rational and understand your ex's misgivings (even though there is no safeguarding issue) may be OK in the first instance, but at some point, if your relationship with the new person is strong, you are going to have to bring it up. When you feel the time is right to broach this, mediation may be the option to push for if your ex refuses to discuss it.
SeparatedDads - 8-Jun-18 @ 9:22 AM
I had an affair and it caused the split in my relationship with the mother of my kids. Everything has been very amicable considering and I have access to them etc. and I pay more then the necessary child support etc so they can stay in the (wjhat was) family home. The issue is she is against the idea of me introducing them to my now partner (the person I had the affair with) even for now just as a friend of mine and I'm not sure where I go from here. The now partner is not a safeguarding risk and poses no threat whatsoever, its purely the ex sees her as the reason for the break up and doesn't want our children to see her. Any advice??
Jibbo - 7-Jun-18 @ 2:47 PM
Justlittleoldme - Your Question:
We have been separated since I was 3 month pregnant. Since our daughter has been born I have gotten over all the horrible things that were said and agree my daughter needs her dad. We started slowly, at her home, progressed to going out to play areas (I also have a 2yr old from a previous relationship) then her dad took her on his own to visit relatives or to his home. We tried mediation but he wouldn’t talk and just agreed with anything that I said. He now sees her every Sunday from 9.00-13.00 and fortnightly on Wednesday 15.30-19.00. Our daughter is now 15 months old and he wants to have her for a full day on a Sunday. I want to be fair I don’t think he should have her every weekend as he should still be able to go out and stuff but feel I can’t spend time making us a family if she is away every weekend. Am I being unreasonable if I suggest changing his visits to every Wednesday 10.00-17.00 (he already has changed his shifts at work as he wanted to take her every Wednesday) and fortnightly on Sundays 9.00-13.00. Also he is always late bringing her back how do I approach this without it causing an argument

Our Response:
Many non-residents have their children overnight every other weekend and once or twice in the week (not overnight). This is usually the standard court agreement. In a case such as this, where you cannot agree between you, then mediation may be the way forward again.
SeparatedDads - 4-Jun-18 @ 2:46 PM
We have been separated since I was 3 month pregnant. Since our daughter has been born I have gotten over all the horrible things that were said and agree my daughter needs her dad. We started slowly, at her home, progressed to going out to play areas (I also have a 2yr old from a previous relationship) then her dad took her on his own to visit relatives or to his home. We tried mediation but he wouldn’t talk and just agreed with anything that I said. He now sees her every Sunday from 9.00-13.00 and fortnightly on Wednesday 15.30-19.00. Our daughter is now 15 months old and he wants to have her for a full day on a Sunday. I want to be fair I don’t think he should have her every weekend as he should still be able to go out and stuff but feel I can’t spend time making us a family if she is away every weekend. Am I being unreasonable if I suggest changing his visits to every Wednesday 10.00-17.00 (he already has changed his shifts at work as he wanted to take her every Wednesday) and fortnightly on Sundays 9.00-13.00. Also he is always late bringing her back how do I approach this without it causing an argument
Justlittleoldme - 3-Jun-18 @ 8:35 PM
Hello me and my ex partner split up 3 months ago and we have a son of 9 months, she telling me she’s going to take me to court cos she wants to have the weekends for herself and one evening in the week so therefore i have to have him which i don’t mind but i don’t see why she should dictate my life like that, i work weekends aswell so it is going to mess me up financily aswell because i struggle how it is.
mannny - 26-May-18 @ 9:00 AM
My ex and I have split for over a year and my contact had been an issue at several times basically when shes in a bad mood. She has had mental health problems in the past and there is no negotiating with her shes constantly using visitations as a weapon. We tried the solicitor option but one day a week proposal by her is a joke. I have a court order in for over 2months but still no sign off when it will get served. I have not seen or heard a thing about my child in 3weeks now and im very concerned as I do believe my ex is mentally unstable at times. I seem to have no rights here and want to know what to do in these circumstances.
Papa579 - 22-May-18 @ 2:19 PM
I have been seeing my daughter every fortnight for towns and a half years at her mothers house which is 100 miles away. I now have a lovely home and want my daughter to have some weekends here with me. My ex is saying that her and her mother will discuss it with me. They should don't want me to have this contact I can tell as they are both control freaks. I am a good man with a good job and a nice home plus have a fantastic relationship with my daughter. What are my rights?
Kyky - 5-May-18 @ 10:53 AM
Woody723 - Your Question:
I’ve recently split with my partner and I have a daughter who is 10 months old. She says I can only have her 2 nights a week but I feel that is unfair as I’d much prefer 3 days. Am I within my right to argue this or do I need to go through courts etc? And if so would I lose??

Our Response:
If you wish to challenge your ex's decision, your only recourse would be to suggest mediation to your ex as a way of trying to resolve your issues without going to court, please see link here . If your ex refuses to attend mediation, or if you cannot agree via mediation, only then will you be able to apply to court - please see link here. Much depends upon what contact you have had with your daughter to date and how hands-on you have been regarding her day-to-day care. As in all cases, the court’s main concern is the welfare of the child in question. The court will always put the child’s best interests first and this main issue will determine the outcome of any application for an order.
SeparatedDads - 1-May-18 @ 12:55 PM
I’ve recently split with my partner and I have a daughter who is 10 months old. She says I can only have her 2 nights a week but I feel that is unfair as I’d much prefer 3 days. Am I within my right to argue this or do I need to go through courts etc? And if so would I lose??
Woody723 - 30-Apr-18 @ 6:26 PM
Ez - Your Question:
This is a question:I have recently entered into a relationship with someone I have known for 15 years. I did not inform my ex about this but now she knows she doesn’t want our child to have any contact with my new partner and has threatened to remove my access if her ‘demands’ are not adhered to. She claims that our child’s anxiety is caused by my new relationship which conflicts with the behaviour of my child. My access to my child consists of Thursday to Sunday for 3 weeks out of 4 (month). This access is non court ordered and non family mediation but verbally agreed between me and my child’s mother. What are my rights as the father? Can my ex stop me from seeing my child? Please help as this is stressing me out.

Our Response:
Please see the link here, and here which shows you the process you would need to go through. If you have had good access to your child to date, then a court is likely to re-instate your access. Plus, unless there is a provable reason why your new partner should not be in your child's life, the court should allow you to choose who you wish to be part of your child's life. However, the court will expect you to have attended/considered mediation first before you can apply. Therefore, the quicker you respond to the denial of access the better.
SeparatedDads - 12-Apr-18 @ 2:09 PM
This is a question: I have recently entered into a relationship with someone I have known for 15 years. I did not inform my ex about this but now she knows she doesn’t want our child to have any contact with my new partner and has threatened to remove my access if her ‘demands’ are not adhered to. She claims that our child’s anxiety is caused by my new relationship which conflicts with the behaviour of my child. My access to my child consists of Thursday to Sunday for 3 weeks out of 4 (month). This access is non court ordered and non family mediation but verbally agreed between me and my child’s mother. What are my rights as the father? Can my ex stop me from seeing my child? Please help as this is stressing me out.
Ez - 10-Apr-18 @ 10:07 PM
Ch - Your Question:
I have a 15 month old child my ex lives 2 and a half hours drive away and is insisting on having her for weekends. I have never met most of his family or anyone that he socialises with I don't agree that she should be taken so far and out of her routine or until she can at least talk and tell me if there is any issues but I do obviously want her to have a good relationship with her dad it's so hard as I know if it was the other way around I would want the same thing but don't feel it's in her best interest at the moment?

Our Response:
Your ex will be allowed to pursue the matter through court if you refuse to negotiate through mediation, please see link here. If the matter goes to court, then the court will decide what it thinks is in your child's best interests. If you can come to a plan to work towards between you, this is always a best option.
SeparatedDads - 9-Apr-18 @ 1:00 PM
I have a 15 month old child my ex lives 2 and a half hours drive away and is insisting on having her for weekends. I have never met most of his family or anyone that he socialises with I don't agree that she should be taken so far and out of her routine or until she can at least talk and tell me if there is any issues but I do obviously want her to have a good relationship with her dad it's so hard as I know if it was the other way around I would want the same thing but don't feel it's in her best interest at the moment?
Ch - 7-Apr-18 @ 3:35 PM
Jmac82 - Your Question:
I have two kids from different mums and live approx 120miles from each of my kids.The mums moved away over the course of time and it’s now up to me to travel/get hotels etc in order to see how kids. I do take them back to my house as often as I can but sometimes the 6hr round trip is just too much.I now work a job doing 2weeks on 2weeks off and that kind of helps as it isn’t such a rush to squeeze everything into my weekends with them, particularly on the holidays from school.Recently however one of my children’s mum has stopped overnight contact which now means I have no choice but to visit on the Saturday and Sunday only, we go out and spend the day together and I return my child in the evening.This has put massive emotional strain on myself and my other child who now has to stay with me in guest houses and hotels in order for us to spend time together. Also this has put a massive financial Strain on myself with added costs to entertain, eat, sleep etc not to mention travel costs.all I can hope for now is to get overnight contact back and get back to normality otherwise I may have to give up my rent to buy home and move to areas I would rather not be in.Why is it so hard when it could be so easy?

Our Response:
If the other mother has stopped overnight contact, then you can apply to court to have the contact reinstated. The court will also take on your the logistics you have to jump through. You can ask CMS to take into account certain expenses you pay. These are called ‘special expenses’ and can reduce the gross income figure that is used when child maintenance is worked out, please see link here.
SeparatedDads - 6-Apr-18 @ 12:16 PM
I have two kids from different mums and live approx 120miles from each of my kids. The mums moved away over the course of time and it’s now up to me to travel/get hotels etc in order to see how kids. I do take them back to my house as often as I can but sometimes the 6hr round trip is just too much. I now work a job doing 2weeks on 2weeks off and that kind of helps as it isn’t such a rush to squeeze everything into my weekends with them, particularly on the holidays from school. Recently however one of my children’s mum has stopped overnight contact which now means I have no choice but to visit on the Saturday and Sunday only, we go out and spend the day together and I return my child in the evening. This has put massive emotional strain on myself and my other child who now has to stay with me in guest houses and hotels in order for us to spend time together. Also this has put a massive financial Strain on myself with added costs to entertain, eat, sleep etc not to mention travel costs. all I can hope for now is to get overnight contact back and get back to normality otherwise I may have to give up my rent to buy home and move to areas I would rather not be in. Why is it so hard when it could be so easy?
Jmac82 - 5-Apr-18 @ 9:04 PM
I left you a message on your pubic photo about the donation.. have a read before they take it down .it sums up how I feel about you Gordon and big Tyson.
chriso - 30-Mar-18 @ 1:08 AM
Last thing before I go .big shout out to my x sister thank you for putting the thought of me taking my daughter off my x and thanks to the x for feeling guilt for cheating and not wanting money and becoming someone else issue I am blessed .and shout out to my x daughter see ya when I see ya .I hope you don't turn out like your mother .and x you caused all the issues in your life do blame me .and one final shout out to my x lover I feel sorry for you bro I hope you like getting cheated on and screamedat .I wish you luck sucker.
chriso - 30-Mar-18 @ 12:30 AM
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