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Problem with Social Worker, Lieas and Defamation..
#1
Hey guys

I am having problem with Social Services, My wife left with kids and I applied for contact order in Court.

I visited the school a week after, I signed visitor books, given sticker and was escorted to my child class where my wife was already setting anyway long story short I left the school as I came singed off the visitor book and left the school.

FYI my wife is part of non teaching staff and works in school office.

The social worker submitted statement to court hearing 3 days later claiming that school reported I gain unauthorised access to school and located my wife inside the school. Judge issued non molestation order I was not at court to defend the allegations.

I was allowed to see the children at Social Services discretion, And the social service signed a contact agreement so I was seeing the kids twice a week supervised.

I met the school head and chair and asked them whether they said those things as I showed them my proof, they denied saying anything like that to Social Services and never used those 2 words Unauthorised and Located.

I complained to the Social Service Manager but no joy as she was the one who approved the social worker statement in first place.

At the next hearing I showed the judge the proof and also the Statement from school that the Social Worker lied and the Non Molestation Order was set aside.

The court said I can see the kids if the Social Service allow it supervised or unsupervised. and Social Service must submit section 7 report too.
I objected that the social services is biased and lied so not to be asked for Section 7 from them however the judge was like sorry they are the professionals.


Now I have an angry Social Worker and as it is her desertion I am not allowed to see my kids unsupervised and now the contact has been cut down to only once a week. And the first contact was cancelled because of "some emergency".. I see what is going on however I am not giving up.

What are my option, to get rid of the social worker and ensure that the lies are not gone unnoticed.

Would Defamation for consequential loses i.e. character damage to make the judge issue the order in first place, apply if I send them cease and Desist letter eventhough it was in court only not public?

Thanks
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#2
(09-19-2016, 02:23 PM)Dadof2 Wrote: Hey guys

I am having problem with Social Services, My wife left with kids and I applied for contact order in Court.

I visited the school a week after,  I signed visitor books, given sticker and was escorted to my child class where my wife was already setting anyway long story short I left the school as I came singed off the visitor book and left the school.

FYI my wife is part of non teaching staff and works in school office.

The social worker submitted statement to court hearing 3 days later claiming that school reported I gain unauthorised access to school and located my wife inside the school. Judge issued non molestation order I was not at court to defend the allegations.

I was allowed to see the children at Social Services discretion, And the social service signed a contact agreement so I was seeing the kids twice a week supervised.

I met the school head and chair and asked them whether they said those things as I showed them my proof, they denied saying anything like that to Social Services and never used those 2 words Unauthorised and Located.

I complained to the Social Service Manager but no joy as she was the one who approved the social worker statement in first place.

At the next hearing I showed the judge the proof and also the Statement from school that the Social Worker lied and the Non Molestation Order was set aside.

The court said I can see the kids if the Social Service allow it supervised or unsupervised. and Social Service must submit section 7 report too.
I objected that the social services is biased and lied so not to be asked for Section 7 from them however the judge was like sorry they are the professionals.


Now I have an angry Social Worker and as it is her desertion I am not allowed to see my kids unsupervised and now the contact has been cut down to only once a week. And the first contact was cancelled because of "some emergency".. I see what is going on however I am not giving up.

What are my option, to get rid of the social worker and ensure that the lies are not gone unnoticed.

Would Defamation for consequential loses i.e. character damage to make the judge issue the order in first place, apply if I send them cease and Desist letter eventhough it was in court only not public?

Thanks

You can not complain about a Social Worker while court action is in progress, but soon as its over contact the Local Authority Service Standards Department, so your complaint is overseen outside of Children's Services. You also might want to put a call into your local MP, and ask them to write the the Director of Children's Services.

Anything your ex or the Social Worker puts in a report filed at court (or says in court) you do not agree with, you have have set down for "Finding of Fact". If they can not evidence it happened, it can not be considered.

It appears to me that any ruling on this case would be "unsafe" in law, and subject to challenge at a later date, if a complaint against the Social Worker is upheld.

You need to run your case, get a complaint in place (taking it to Local Government Ombudsman after Stage 1 and 2 if not resolved to your liking), and then make an Application to Vary the Order, using significant reason for it to be look at as "complaint upheld against Social Worker involved", and decisions was make on the case due to their incorrect facts being put to court.
Posts made by me are my opinion and any factual information should be checked out. If you do not have a Solicitor, often your local CAB can get you some initial advice.
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#3
(09-19-2016, 04:09 PM)MarkR Wrote:
(09-19-2016, 02:23 PM)Dadof2 Wrote: Hey guys

I am having problem with Social Services, My wife left with kids and I applied for contact order in Court.

I visited the school a week after,  I signed visitor books, given sticker and was escorted to my child class where my wife was already setting anyway long story short I left the school as I came singed off the visitor book and left the school.

FYI my wife is part of non teaching staff and works in school office.

The social worker submitted statement to court hearing 3 days later claiming that school reported I gain unauthorised access to school and located my wife inside the school. Judge issued non molestation order I was not at court to defend the allegations.

I was allowed to see the children at Social Services discretion, And the social service signed a contact agreement so I was seeing the kids twice a week supervised.

I met the school head and chair and asked them whether they said those things as I showed them my proof, they denied saying anything like that to Social Services and never used those 2 words Unauthorised and Located.

I complained to the Social Service Manager but no joy as she was the one who approved the social worker statement in first place.

At the next hearing I showed the judge the proof and also the Statement from school that the Social Worker lied and the Non Molestation Order was set aside.

The court said I can see the kids if the Social Service allow it supervised or unsupervised. and Social Service must submit section 7 report too.
I objected that the social services is biased and lied so not to be asked for Section 7 from them however the judge was like sorry they are the professionals.


Now I have an angry Social Worker and as it is her desertion I am not allowed to see my kids unsupervised and now the contact has been cut down to only once a week. And the first contact was cancelled because of "some emergency".. I see what is going on however I am not giving up.

What are my option, to get rid of the social worker and ensure that the lies are not gone unnoticed.

Would Defamation for consequential loses i.e. character damage to make the judge issue the order in first place, apply if I send them cease and Desist letter eventhough it was in court only not public?

Thanks

You can not complain about a Social Worker while court action is in progress, but soon as its over contact the Local Authority Service Standards Department, so your complaint is overseen outside of Children's Services. You also might want to put a call into your local MP, and ask them to write the the Director of Children's Services.

Anything your ex or the Social Worker puts in a report filed at court (or says in court) you do not agree with, you have have set down for "Finding of Fact". If they can not evidence it happened, it can not be considered.

It appears to me that any ruling on this case would be "unsafe" in law, and subject to challenge at a later date, if a complaint against the Social Worker is upheld.

You need to run your case, get a complaint in place (taking it to Local Government Ombudsman after Stage 1 and 2 if not resolved to your liking), and then make an Application to Vary the Order, using significant reason for it to be look at as "complaint upheld against Social Worker involved", and decisions was make on the case due to their incorrect facts being put to court.

Thank Mark

I agree I already complained to the local authority but they gave me standard answer and siding with the Social worker i.e. rules were followed etc.

I sent them letter again with explanation and my findings sofar as I have proof and statement from school who denied saying such things,

I did mention it to the Judge during the hearing that the Social Worker lied however there was no response from the Judge.

I also sent a Cease and Desist letter to them and their solicitor responded that as it was confidential and private so no defamation taken place however I explained to them that the statement submitted as per Defamation Act 2013 was neither Truth or a Honest opinion but Matter of Fact hence it obliged the court to issue non-molestation order affecting my rights to contact with children. AS it was cited by the Judge to no allow the contact in first hearing.

I demanded and apology, change of Social worker and explanations for the blunders. Otherwise that I also reserve the right to report the Social Worker and the Practice Manager who approved the statement & is also Social Worker to the Police under Perjury Act 1911 sect 1A&5 and report them to their regulatory body HCPC. Angel
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#4
Hello,

I'm not sure this will useful to you but I thought I would share.

http://www.theappropriateadultservice.org.uk/

They offer an "alternative" service where someone comes to monitor you at your residence or where ever the contact is taking place. They produce reports etc.
My solicitor told me that some of his clients have previously used the service and the report(s) produced were useful in court.

I was considering using this because i felt the social worker in my case was not being objective. I am waiting to see SW report after she observed contact with me and my little boy. If it is not in my favour or shows biased towards the mother i will be contacting the named service to see how they can help.

Maybe worth giving them a ring.

Wish you luck!
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#5
(09-21-2016, 03:41 PM)nilbo Wrote: Hello,

I'm not sure this will useful to you but I thought I would share.

http://www.theappropriateadultservice.org.uk/

They offer an "alternative" service where someone comes to monitor you at your residence or where ever the contact is taking place. They produce reports etc.
My solicitor told me that some of his clients have previously used the service and the report(s) produced were useful in court.

I was considering using this because i felt the social worker in my case was not being objective. I am waiting to see SW report after she observed contact with me and my little boy. If it is not in my favour or shows biased towards the mother i will be contacting the named service to see how they can help.

Maybe worth giving them a ring.

Wish you luck!

Thanks Nilbo
Very helpful.
Looks like a best alternative.
Do you know how much they charge for contacts, hourly rates? any one you know used them before?

Thanks
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#6
(09-22-2016, 09:05 AM)Dadof2 Wrote:
(09-21-2016, 03:41 PM)nilbo Wrote: Hello,

I'm not sure this will useful to you but I thought I would share.

http://www.theappropriateadultservice.org.uk/

They offer an "alternative" service where someone comes to monitor you at your residence or where ever the contact is taking place. They produce reports etc.
My solicitor told me that some of his clients have previously used the service and the report(s) produced were useful in court.

I was considering using this because i felt the social worker in my case was not being objective. I am waiting to see SW report after she observed contact with me and my little boy. If it is not in my favour or shows biased towards the mother i will be contacting the named service to see how they can help.

Maybe worth giving them a ring.

Wish you luck!

Thanks Nilbo
Very helpful.
Looks like a best alternative.
Do you know how much they charge for contacts, hourly rates? any one you know used them before?

Thanks

Hi Mate,

Sorry don't know of costs involved. I really hope it helps and hopefully you can use it to avoid any contact centers that may be imposed.
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#7
Just to update this thread for anyone interested to know if you wanted a third party to observe the contact if in doubt about your local social services conduct.

I am sharing a quote from theappropriateadultservice about contact...

£42/hr for contact
£42 for writing a report
£22/hr travel
45p/mile

regards
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