Misuse of Maintenance Payments

Misuse of Maintenance Payments

It is not uncommon for separated dads to be concerned at what their ex is doing with the money that is supposed to benefit their child or children. Of course, as responsible and caring dads you want to make sure that the money you pay towards your child's everyday needs is actually being spent on your child. It can be very frustrating and cause considerable anger if you perceive your ex to be splashing out on luxuries, such as holidays and home improvements, with money that you consider to be for your child.

For the Benefit of the Family

Unfortunately, there is very little that can be done about this. The Child Maintenance Service (CMS) has no control over what happens to the money once payments have been made to the resident parent. It is generally accepted that Child Support Payments can be made to benefit the household, such as on heating bills or other family needs, but often separated dads can suspect that the money is benefiting one person alone: your ex.

Of course, the vast majority of mothers think the world of their children and wouldn't put their own needs before that of their dependants. Your ex may say that she has sources of income that you don't know about, or may say that she is trying to do things that benefit the whole family. Arguably, home improvements or a holiday for all the family may, albeit only on a partial basis, benefit the child, but expensive handbags and shoes won't!

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Proving Misuse

On a practical level, it would be very hard to prove that your maintenance payments are being misused. Your ex, as the resident parent, is the decision maker as to household financial expenditure and it is her sole responsibility to ensure that the money is spent appropriately. When confronted, she may simply say that she is using other money to pay for things for herself and using your money for your child's benefit. If there has been a period of time when child support has not been paid, she may 'justify' her expenditure on having to meet the sole financial responsibility during that period.

When You Can Intervene

It is a wholly different scenario if your child's needs are not being met and you are worried about their welfare. For example, it is totally unacceptable for your child to be neglected, abused or poorly treated. If you are seriously worried about the way in which your child is being treated, you need to seek legal advice without delay. Any decision to do so should not be taken lightly and is bound to be met with considerable hostility by your ex. In extreme cases, you could apply for a child arrangements order but bear in mind that the court would always look at the welfare and best interests of the child first.

CMS Reassessment

Of course, there are other options. You could Enter Into Mediation with your ex to try to air your concerns and to reach a mutually satisfactory agreement. If you are paying money through the CMS, you could also ask for a reassessment if the money you are paying is causing Financial Difficulties in comparison to your ex's life of luxury.

When making agreements about maintenance payments (and this is where mediation can help), you could offer to be responsible specifics, such as school dinner money, school trips, nursery/holiday club fees, sports clubs, subscriptions etc. This might help you in knowing just where your money is going.

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C laurie 29 Oct 2023
I was a kid when this child was born .that was the worst time in my life I new I f up and got myself in a pickle and didn’t know how to get out off .I should off made that women get (abortion ).instead off playing house I wasted my prime years been depressed miserable playing daddy .
C laurie 29 Oct 2023
In my situation I never paid child support ,I have never know where the child lived or what school she attended (in fact I don’t know anything about the girl )and don’t want to know .(i am men enough to admit im not father material) I told her mother years ago (I will sign my rights over to her and remove my name from the birth certificate like adoption because the relationship I had with her mother should off never happened and the kid should off never been Conceived)and that’s the truth .
Fed up and tired 29 Oct 2023
Wtf can afford holidays on cm payments pmsl. Men if your kids are getting fed, clothed, doing nice activities and getting to school and all school expenses covered...... guess what?! Cm is covering it. The only irresponsible parent is the one who thinks the parent and child should suffer, and tries to find loopholes not to pay. £80 transport pm school £40 extra curricular activities pm £190 pm before and after school care so I can get to work £12 pw school dinners £250 for the year school uniform Excluding normal clothes. Food. Additional school costs. Additional costs of gas electric etc etc. £157 pm child maintenance. £250 Pay for your kids.
Noona 23 Dec 2022
Can a parent who has been awarded csa refuse it !?
Caughtout77 14 Oct 2022
I am a mother. I didn’t utilise the services of the CMS…. I am incredibly thankful for that, because it is bias…. It is bias towards fathers who pay for their children, as they should, yet their former partners are able to suggest otherwise…. The CMS is 100% bias towards men…. Not all men are bad fathers. Some women are bad mothers. The CMS does not take into account any issue pertaining to fathers because it is absolutely focussed on mothers…. I stand with fathers.
Dad 10 Sep 2021
I'm just getting back in contact with my son my ex is on bail for assaulting him and my son has been put in care she is still claiming csa what can I do about this?
Lucy 30 May 2021
Me and my dad are no longer talking and i was wondering if this means that he owes us more money? just so people know we’re really not on good terms and we don’t care about each other anymore so i’m just checking about this. thank you!
Kieranspreston 18 Apr 2021
2nd part of comment.... I dropped her off and placed her inside my ex house by opening the door as it was lighting and hailing outside and it was scaring my daughter, so I placed her inside and I stood outside, next think I’ve got my ex shouting at me “why are you opening my door” from there she completely flips her lid and from that point I didn’t feel safe leaving my daughter with her because I was scared for my daughters welfare as my ex was acting irrationally. I went to give my daughter a hug and my ex literally ripped her out of my arms to the point of hurting and and my daughter stood crying screaming for her dad and my ex told me she’s ringing the police ( at this point I couldn’t care less as that’s all she seems to do and thinks it effect me but little does she know I know my rights and it’s a civil matter) so I did one better and rang them myself told them the situation and surprise surprise they did absolutely nothing as I had something between my legs and told me it’s a civil matter... where are the cops when she’s doing it to me?? where are these cops to help me ?? So it’s been 2 years since I last seen my daughter due to courts being pushed back due to Covid 19.. I’ve just had csa ring me up and tell me I need to give £415 a month to my ex or they will be taking me to court... I can’t afford to pay my rent, my bills, food, fuel , car insurance and ALSO give £415 in one whole month and I can’t see why the CSA don’t see it this way either.... it’s like my ex wants to bake her cake and eat it... no no Kieran your time isn’t good enough but your money is!! Yeah brilliant Thankyou very much... I suffer with mental health due to the pain and frustration my ex has put me through and I’m on the brink of just ending it all and killing myself... what’s the point in living when viscous jealous manipulating women have all the power and the system doesn’t help the man ..
Kieranspreston 18 Apr 2021
Well... where to start, me and my ex partner split up around 6 years ago and it’s been nothing but a rollercoaster ride when it comes to me seeing my daughter... when I say we split up I really mean that she left me along with my kid on a weekend when I was working away, came home to an empty house with my ex partner gone and my beautiful daughter... struck in awe I didn’t know what was happening.. she had moved back to her parents leaving me in ex amounts of debt with council tax and bills.. none of that bothered me at that point in time as long as I could still have contact with my daughter of 9 months of age.. everything was fine for the best part of 9-12 months seeing my daughter on a regular basis 2-3 times per week but not being allowed to have her over night which seemed very unusual to me as I felt like the mother didn’t trust me enough with my own flesh and blood... frustratingly enough my ex had come to terms with that she wasn’t going to let me see my daughter anymore only for her own selfish needs and wants.. fast forward 4 months after my last time spent with my daughter and my ex is in another relationship playing happy family’s with another guy... sure enough a year later they had a child and round about the same time they both went to child services and put a form in for him to adopt my daughter... sure enough I got sent going to let this happen to my daughter or myself so I fought that case and won with flying colours as social services were fighting my corner for once! sure enough a year later after that she had done the same thing to this exact guy par from stopping him seeing his child along with MY daughter still even though he has no parental rights to her... a couple weeks after splitting up from her recent partner she finally got back in touch with me via Facebook message after countless of messages I sent her regarding my daughter. (with having the police ring me up on every single one of them messages even though its a civil incident and I have no criminal record or any injunctions towards my ex) I started to see my daughter for about a year and a half we grew a bond that was inseparable she knew who I was and she couldn’t get enough of the time we spent with each other... countless times she asked to stop at my place as I had a bed ready for her and just started to kit out her room, sure enough the mother wasn’t happy with this and told me “I’m not ready to let you do that”... think about it what she said right there “IM not ready to let YOU do that” a cause of control is the only thing that pops to mind.. anyway I brushed it off trying to explain to my daughter why she couldn’t stop and she couldn’t understand and to think of it neither did I understand. One night I was dropping my daughter off to her mothers after countless of calls from my ex telling me to return our daughter and hour before hand of what we agreed, so I Did this to just keep the peace, wish I didn’t now as that was the last time I saw my daughter,
Andy 3 Apr 2021
I was a full time farther to my little boy and girl from them being babies till my son was 5 and daughter 4. I had been with kids mum for 10 years. We separated over two years ago. I have the children 3 nights a week, sometimes this can be 4. After the relationship breakdown I left the family home very suddenly with nothing. And had to start again. I had to stay with a friend who luckily had a spare room, so me and the kids was sleeping on a mattress in en empty room. I had struggles to stay in work due to all the drama the kids mum would cause, job number 1 leaving my son in the car park where I work and driving off, I was in my 6 month probation and the owner let me go. Job 2, she would phone my employer over and over, forcing me to take days off by leaving the house 1st with no one to watch the children other than me. So I lost this job to. I got a job when we broke up and have been there ever since and since got a promotion and enjoy what I do. I make sure when my kids are with me they want for nothing and they have everything a kid there age could want and more, its been hard work but I've got there, my own place, beautifully furnished. Kids room is awesome. I have great routines for my kids and they are both doing well, great kids, I'm very blessed! I pay maintenance at £200 a month sone months more if I could afford it, in addition to this I buy everything the kids need when they are with me so there is no cost to mum. Recently mum has contacted child maintenance and told them I have zero nights with the children!! She told me she was going to do this and she was going to make my life hell.. if she gets away with this I will have to come out of my job and go on the dole because I won't have enough left to pay my rent and bills and care for the kids when I have them. If I'm unemployed the rent will at least be covered by benefits. I do not want her to do this to me again! I have no idea how to resolve this because she's the worst lier and minipulator I've ever had the discomfort of meeting.
Mandz 22 Feb 2021
I get 25 pound a week from my daughters father i get this monthly as he only gets paid monthly I am greatfull for this extra support coz our daughter has more and she doesnt struggle Her father is now saying he want to spend it How is that even right we are not in the same house hold and our money is different I show evidence of everything she has bought And thats out my choice to show him not at his request Why dont he trust that i spend more than that on her, i dont understand. Instead of thinking im money grabbing i mean i brought him up for years with out him paying a penny im not a gold digger
J 19 Feb 2021
My ex partner and I split up 14yrs ago. She has always been an emotionally abusive person. Threatening to take my daughter away with whichever boyfriend she’s seeing. Children’s Services have been involved and have proved that she’s Emotionally abusing my daughter and concerned that her drinking is scarring my daughter. Now she’s misleading the CMS and lying that I don’t have my daughter as much so she can gain extra finances via DEO from my wages. CMS don’t care. They wouldn’t even acknowledge my son born 2yrs ago. Instead telling me to claim child benefit (which would be benefit fraud on me as I earn too much). I have equal care for my 16yr old especially during Schools Lockdown where the CMS have no right to take money as it’s equal share care however they believe the mother who is constantly lying telling CMS she has my daughter so she can get money. I’m at a point where I will have to sell our family home just so this abusive person keeps abusing me and the police won’t do anything! What’s the point of existence....14yrs of suffering mental and emotional abuse by this woman.
Tired of it 1 Dec 2020
Reading some of the messages below makes me so frustrated. I can only speak for myself but my kids dad cut what he knows to be the correct entitlement for his child when contact was stopped due to ongoing abuse on his part (proven by long criminal record and unwillingness to cooperate with authorities even when faced with evidence. He stated he would not pay what his son was due if he didmt get access. I decided continuing to allow contact was detrimental to my kids and my own mental health. The justice system is not fit for purpose. CMS dont investigate fraud, carcass dont do thorough enough checks and give benefit of the doubt. Opportunity after opportunity given to the perpetrator. Even with a background of 15 years similar violent criminal charges base decisions on saying the right sort of thing.
Steve 18 Sep 2020
If you can afford it, take a CMS holiday. Career break. Sit at home and do nothing, and you don't pay maintenance :)
Teri 16 Sep 2020
Just because a NRP doesn't see all that money spent on their kids doesn't mean RP is spending it on themselves..I saved half of every payment my kids dad paid which will now be helping my daughter in university
Childmaintenanceisba 15 Sep 2020
The UK government is deliberately misleading the public to call the payments child maintenance if there is not a single shred of evidence that any of the money is being spent on maintaining children. The Child maintenance Services should be scrapped and one of the many reasons for this is that they can't ensure the payments that they are enforcing are being used to maintain children. All the payments are doing in reality is financially rewarding one parent for stopping/limiting the access of the other to their own children. It is a barbaric outdated system and is harming children and parents. Children deserve parental equality. 50:50 custody should be the norm, no good parent should suffer the heartbreaking pain of having their child removed from their day to day life and then be forced to make payments to the person who has inflicted that pain. No child should be torn away from a good parent. We need to stand up for parental equality. Both parents should be treated equally. Studies show 50:50 custody is best for the children in the vast majority of cases. CMS should only be involved in abandonment cases. Current system is barbaric.
Jonah 29 Aug 2020
Hi,where do I start,I have two sons,aged 32_and_29.after a split back in 1994,I met the agreed amount to my ex who left for another man,when after a while they was utilising the money on a weekend binge when I had my boys,I soon stopped giving hand outs for their drunken behaviour,as we wasn't married I persuade full custody, only to get visit days,due to working long hours, they both was in receipt of benefits,!, she contacted the CSA and took me to court,I provided for my children regards food,clothes,shoes,school,etc,but never handed money over,the CSA outcome was a deduction of earnings,which they said by law all I need to live on was £73.00 Pound a week,they took the rest,after 2 years of that I lost my home,car,job,and discovered they was both working cash in hand and still claiming benefit,someone reported them,!!!,they was both found guilty of benefit fraudulent deception,but I was told to pay maintenance even though they had been cheating the system,from then I re married and 5/years ago divorced,and seem to have left a outstanding amount of child support arrears, since my divorce I have accumulated a large sum of money,but after 26 years,my first partner as crawled out of an hole expecting money,my question is,should I persue her for fraudulently defrauding me for CSA In the first place.its a complete joke.I have been at times in a very dark place due to the threat and stress they caused me,but I will stand by father's have rights, bring it on,to all the women that cheat,live with it.
Kleo 24 Jul 2020
Why do we as humans feel we can judge another person without knowing full facts. I find people disgusting, parents work hard full stop we all love our children full stop. Stop jealousy, hate and the mental bullying(they get away with this one a lot more). All our children care about is to see their parents happy and they get to spend time with them... So he ran off and had another family? Your hurting forget your feelings for a mo how does your child feel? How will you you feel if you moved on and your ex said you cannot see your child? Life and people can be very shady howeverif there is no violence, mental abuse or child alienation then there should be no reason to stop a parent from seeing them. If you know you have been toxic or vile and you just don't seem to be getting anywhere with seeing your child take time out, don't threaten, hit or do anything that could be used against you, then seek legal action. If you cannot afford legal action try sort another family to get in touch and see if they will be willing to help with contact for your children. No child should see their parents arguing, it's healthy to stick to boundaries at these times try and have agreement written so there is no confusion. Peace
Ian 12 Jul 2020
I have been separated from my wife for 10 months, after 18 years married and have a 13 year old daughter who I have half the week. I moved out and am living with my brother, but ultimately want to get my own place, when I can afford to. We are still both paying the mortgage jointly and both names are still on the mortgage. However, I have been paying my half to her to pay the mortgage every month, but have recently found out that she has not been paying the mortgage since January, so we are in arrears. With this in mind, I have told her we cannot carry on this way, so we need to sell the house, pay of the mortgage, then we can go an live seperately in out own aboads. When the house is sold and the mortgage paid off and we both look to buy/rent new places, do I have to continue to pay towards her rent/mortgage for her new place? PS - I have no problem about continuing to pay the Child Maintenance, I have been paying since I left. Thanks in advance.
STMPUnix 3 Mar 2020
My Ex-Wife and I have been Separated/Divorced over two years now. Originally we agreed (through mediation) a visitation plan for the three girls. I was devastated at the time and on top of all this I had to fold my company. I was determined to be there for the kids and made seeing them my priority. It also gave me some cheer considering the collapse of the business. i took them the agreed times (8 nights per month, as well as half all the school holiday periods (stipulated in the mediation report). I also took them whenever my Ex wanted to go away with their new partner. (5 holidays in the first year alone). I dutifully paid what the CMS were saying i was meant to pay. Now after the first 3 months I was made aware that the actual visitation the CMS had was not. They had me down as one night per week. It appears that my EX had called the CMS and had told them that the plan wasn't being stuck to. After much text arguing (when I withheld her payment) she agreed to instruct them of the correct visits that were happening. Jump forward to present day. In December 2019, I was again made aware that she had retracted her statement and the payments I was making are incorrect payments and I was not being assessed correctly. Especially in light that we had (by text) further agreed an extra night at the weekends as it was "hard" on the youngest and we both felt that it was more "natural" a break/goodbye to drop her at School the Monday mornings after a weekend of her being with me. It turns out that if my EX had been, what honest? Fair? Human? I would have been paying less. Meaning I was over paying by some £9500. I have asked her to do this and obviously she refused. The CMS have told me that they take what she says is correct (visits). I registered a complaint and uploaded all my records, (Spreadsheets records of when I saw the kids. I was told to keep a record by CMS as they would “calculate the following year based on the visits.) Offered text messages and email where the agreements were sorted. This was all ignored and I was told that I had to obtain a court order for the visitation and they would recalculate on that. This is going to cost me in excess of £3000. Lessons learnt. Go straight for the Court order. I am desperate to find the money to get a court order that agrees the original visitation agreement from mediation. Presently, She`s cut the visitation down to 4 times a month to be spiteful and to get more allocation from CMS.
Muggedoffdad 3 Mar 2020
My wife left me and took my youngest son as she was having an affair. When she left she said she didn't want any money off me for my son so long as i agreed to giving her 50% of the equity on the house when it sold (she contributed £0 towards the property throughout the time we lived there. I paid ALL of the mortgage and ALL of the household bills. 7 months down the line she is now demanding i pay child maintenance and has got the CSA involved. She is preventing my son from seeing me at all also. Is there anything i can do to prevent her getting money that she said she never wanted but has now changed her mind?
Jules 2 Mar 2020
When my ex and I separated we agreed that’s my child would spend majority of time with him ( due to religion *biggest mistake* I left the religion) he begged me not to go after him for spousal support if front of the family mediation office and he wouldn’t go after me for child support, until I got on me feet after moving provinces. He also promised both my daughter and I she would be able to visit me ( verbally) As soon as I moved all This changed. I started paying child support as soon as I found a suitable job. And have never missed a payment since. It the separation agreement it says t4’s can be submitted yearly adjustments can be made. He has not requested them the last few years and now he wants the last 4 years. I told him I have no issue with that and need to gather the paper work. He’s wants them “NOW” even though I have till May first. I agree that adjustments need to be made because I do make more now then I did when the amount was first made. My fear is he is going to try to get back pay and the difference based on the last 4 years , even though I make less then , then I do now. Can he do that??
Yo 22 Feb 2020
I have my son every other weekend from Friday night to Sunday evening, half of Easter holidays, 2 weeks in summer and half of Christmas. I pay her 200 a month for 1 child and I also pay half of everything else (after school club, clothes etc) yet my ex has gone to cms saying I don't give her enough and now cms are harassing me to give her more money 162 pound a week to be exact. Is this fair? Am I not paying enough? And is there any advise anyone can give me?
Maintenance question 28 Jan 2020
If child maintenance is being paid, can the recipient request more money for things such as wellies. The sender has the child 3-4 days a week and pays for everything from their own pocket during that time (food, activities, shoes, clothes, haircuts, travel, etc). Examples of extra requests for money: A couple of weeks ago the child needed wellies for a nursery outing and the receiver demanded the sender bought them or sent the extra money for them. Currently the receiver has demanded the sender take the child for a haircut because its their turn (which is an agreement that was never made) and slammed the door shut when the sender pointed that out and said they liked the child's hair currently. The sender does take the child for hair cuts but when he feels it is necessary.
Redcookie 10 Jan 2020
Why does a mother have the right to refuse access but still apply for maintenance on the basis of how few days the father has the kids ??? Surely if it’s her choice not to allow access she can’t then ask for money for those days it’s just unfair, I share 50/50 access with my kids dad because it’s what is best for my kids the women who refuse access just to milk the dad of more money in my eyes is disgusting
D 28 Nov 2019
Just found out my son is no longer going to college and my ex wife as blatantly lied to csa that he is going. spoke to csa regarding this and they say that he only by word of her mouth that he his going can believe that I am having to pay when she lying through her teeth why is there not anything in place when she is breaking the law and committing fraud so wrong so angry ..
Rita 23 Nov 2019
Hi, I’m expecting twins with my now ex partner. I want my children to know who their father is so I’m going to put him on birth certificate, however this is the only thing I really wanna do. I don’t want anything from him. My question is do I need to ask him for child maintenance or this is my choice? I just don’t want anything incomone with him, just wanna move with my life when children are born.
C.laurie 15 Nov 2019
@dinotruz77.after learning about my (rights) .and with the solicitors and case workers and cms you talk about is to much (drama )for me .(i like things the way they are for me ).in reality there is no room for a (teenage girl in my life gods truth )when you been (absent for 10 years the gods truth is I mean this on bible )you really don’t think you have a (child) I mean emotionally ,mentally there is know connection what so ever there is no feelings is like when you bury a (parent) it hurts at the start but after a few years you really don’t think or talk about them anymore .thats how I feel with my situation.
dinotrux77 15 Nov 2019
Hi I have recently split from my partner and have regular overnight stays, 10 nights a month consistently and she has told the CMS that the shared care is 1 night per week. The 10 nights per month are excluding any half term time etc. I have spoken to the CMS and they have told me that the case worker will go back to my ex with this detail to clarify it however if she continues to lie and stick to the 1 night per week lie, because she is the one that has filed the application it will default to what she says and I will therefore have to pay £100 per month more than required according to the CMS calculator. The lady that I spoke to at the CMS has said the only way that I can contest this is with a court order or to instruct a solicitor???? has anyone had any experience of this and was the outcome the right outcome and what would you advise in order for me to get the outcome that is fair for all parties?
C.laurie 1 Nov 2019
@speckup.all I ever wanted was a (relationship) with my daughter .in (reality) it’s never going to happen .you really don’t no what I am up against with ( mother ).but I am (strong ) and have dealt with the loss .
speakup 1 Nov 2019
CMS is letting down children in by having very poor processes in place. Such poor processes are fully taken advantage of by parents if it advantageous for them. This mal-practice is then spread to other by formal and informal advice. The laws on this must be changed to protect children. I say based on real experiences.
Tina 8 Oct 2019
I'm a Indian lady who lost custody of my children when they where 3 and 4 because my dad didn't like the fact I left my husband. The child support agency then took me to court and put a charge on my property because I didn't give my ex husband money. Instead of giving him money I paid for my children's clothes dinner money school trips milk etc. I did everything and kept the receipt s only for the child support to day I was volunteering to do that. The charge was put on there in 2006 and I didn't hear from them until now. They are asking me to pay my ex £100 aweek. I can't afford to do that. My son came to live with me when he was 7 and my daughter when she was 11. Can I get any advice from anyone
Jm 8 Oct 2019
What if I see my child regularly every week but my ex partner doesnt declare this to get the full amount of csa. I appealed against the claim but didnt have evidence to prove I see my child regularly, that I could show. Is this classed as fraud and would I be due money back it have the ammounts I have to pay decreased?
JTO 23 Sep 2019
My husband has just found from CMS that his ex wife has been fraudulently claiming for Child benefit and subsequently Child maintenance for last year? CMS have been a bit reluctant and very lapse with any information regarding this? Can my husband expect to be creditied with the thousands of pounds he has paid his ex wife for his daughter. Also what is the most likely outcome for his ex-wife? If it was the other way round and the dad had been fraudulent in his information I am sure the story would be very different, it really isn't a very fair process.....??
Anon 3 Sep 2019
I already pay my ex 40 pound a month extra ontop of the csa payment I'm due plus go halves on school trips , clothes etc and my ex wanted me to up the money even though she gets extra I said no , so now she is refusing to give me either of my kids until I take her to court which I cant afford and will recieve no legal help , How is this fair ? So her payment will probably be upped and I dont see my kids and not hy choice , something needs to be put in place So the recieveing parent cant just play god and decide oh I'll stop time eith your children so csa will grant me more money because I'm reducing the nights and days to 0 it isnt in the childs best intrest , things like this should really be looked into and sanctions etc for when it happens and there is proof , not to mention she had the children an extra week and a half so I gave her more so all in all of august she had 300 pound
Hamster 31 Jul 2019
My son stays with me regularly. As of today he has spent 107 nights with me since 1st January 2019. That equals 15.29 nights per month. On balance that's 1 day over shared care over the course of the year. For the last 4 months I have phoned the Child Maintenance Service to update them as it's one of the 6 key changes they want to hear about. Each phone call I request a new assessment as, by rights, i should either be paying far less or nothing at all. Only once have they followed through with my request. The answer. They wont be changing anything. Why? Because my ex-wife has lied and claimed he is there more than he is. The CMS state i have to prove, via court action, that my son, who is 18 1/2 now stays with me. I requested they ask him, no. They seem that unfair but it's fair to ignore my requests. How can it be fair that I have to prove everything yet SHE doesn't. How can it be that a young person can be asked in court where they want to live regarding custody but not to verify where they live etc. I suggested I would withhold my payments until it is sorted. No. They threatened me with legal action. So I'm stuck. Any feedback/ ideas would be greatly recieved.
Chrism 5 Jul 2019
I have always for 4 years paid my ex £150 a month for our daughter ..... i was previously living with my family having split from my child mother and she's always insisted i pay in cash ??...... I'm now in a new relationship and i have been living with new partner for over 2 years and in total there are 5 children living with us. In that time she has twice tried to get me to up this money to over £200 a month this time shes demanding £245 stating her benefits are being capped she doesnt work and has two children in full time school ...... what she does is goes to library with her friend uses the online calculators to drum up the desired money shed like. I was summoned by her and we had a heated discussion and assumes im stupid and in all fairness i was clueless until my partner pointed out that what she's doing isnt correct as id contacted csa once before and the money was much lower thatbim giving her now. ( she often asks for more on top the £150..... I have no issues paying child maintenance for my daughter but i feel this woman is unreasonable and cant get her head round im in a new family. She questions why i take my partners children to school on Mondays instead of doing overtime. (My partner now works fri sat sunday nights). And why have i got two cars and my new partner should be payning for second car! My partner pays all our rent and other household bills. We most def just get bye each month and don't lead a life of luxury. Whilst she holds her hand out for more money than i can afford and she thinks i dont put our daughter 1st...... apparently shes written down a list of things my daughter needs each month with some csa paperwork. Shes hell bent on her dealing with it and me not contacting csa myselfsa Anybody experienced something similar ?? Many thanks Chris
Steve Thomas 22 Apr 2019
Why should a dad pay maintenance if they see their kids regularly as much time with me as at their mums. Surly a dad don't have to pay maintenance if they then struggle to support their kids when they come over to stay etc. It's like paying for kids twice in DECENT dads eyes
Richie 15 Mar 2019
If I pay child maintenance but not on my daughters birth certificate do I automatically gain parental responsibility?
David 22 Feb 2019
CMS sent me an annual Review. State I need to pay 50.66 per week but then says I need to pay 282 per month. When I work out 50.66 x 52 divided by 12 = 220 roughly. I tried calling them and asking what was going on they were literally not willing to Look into the figure difference as stating I just had to pay what was on the letter! This doesn’t seem fair or right I pay for my child every month without fail I’m not allowed to see them yet cms won’t even explain there working! What do I do next!
Cunny77 12 Jan 2019
I was paying child maint for my two children it then turned out my eldest wasn't mine cms have sent a letter confirming this , I have had numerous disputes with them over the years regarding the amount of the payments etc , what I want to know is they claim I owe £1900 in arrears , this dates back to the very beginning so includes arrears for a child that isn't mine is there any way to write this off , also all payments I made in relation to the child that isn't mine can this be claimed back or used to off set money followed for my actual one remaining child ?
Raff 10 Dec 2018
@ross.there is nothing stopping you unless it’s guilt for not knowing if he’s the father ?.or you secretly won’t he’s uncle to take on the role as father ?
ross 10 Dec 2018
Hi, I pay my ex £75 a week for our child through a family arrangement. She is now threatening to go through CMS as she thinks I don't give her enough even though she gets paid weekly. If I'm already paying her £75 a week through a family arrangement can she still go through CMS?
Bartley gorman 6 Dec 2018
@nelly.if my daughter goes to college it would me a miracle I only hope you she does and become a (professional women with a degree)and makes something off her life .her mother is a professional women off the night and has a iq off 13 .and I am fighter so I never needed a iq just a chin and good set of hands and the ability to count my purse money to buy me a carvan with gold trimmings flash style.
Nelly 5 Dec 2018
The none resident parent has paid maintenance for 2 children without fail for a number of years. One child is now over age so payment has stopped although the none resident parent had to argue with the parent with care about this. None resident parent still paying one child almost 19 although the parent with care refuses to provide paperwork or say what the course child is on. I think that if the parent with care is recieving money and the child is either not on a revelant course or not at college at all. I don't understand after the age of 18 why the Parent with care is not legally obliged to provide proof it's wrong. None resident parent told that they do not to pay if the parent with care is no longer in receipt of child benefit. However there is no way to find this out. I know a number of none resident parents don't pay however many do so why are the parents with care being allowed to commit fraud. This should not be allowed to happen the law and the right thing should work both ways so the none resident parent should pay if child up to 20 and in education 12 plus hours right course however after 18 the parent with care should provide proof. This occurs a lot when the parent with care claims money they should not be in receipt and is fraud but completely allowed. In this case the parent with care has also changed children's surnames without consent although in receipt of maintenance. It just appears that the parent with care can do what they like. Any advice on finding information on if the child is actually at college and on a course that is viable would be appreciated.
HasleBeer 2 Nov 2018
Hi My ex Girlfriend has recently confirmed that I am no longer to see my son ( He is my 3rd ) or which I have 2 more. I appreciate what it looks like but actually I pay CMS to all 3 and see them all frequently. I now have a new girlfriend which my ex has got upset over and has decided that I can no longer see my 3rd. She quotes about me using my passed solicitor etc but the truth is that I can not afford to go down the route of instructing solicitors, child maintenance payments mortgage, etc etc - Is there anyway I can look to complete the process and represent myself if required at Court? In terms of parenting rights, my name is on the birth certificate, I have proof of continued CMS payments and visits etc - Any advice please help....
sam 31 Oct 2018
take this as a serious warning you can have your ugly daughter you hit me money i will come you will see with your own eyes i am not deceased .and if you like trying to make excuses for me like i take drugs or got something hide think again .my hate for you is [serous ]you think its[ game you think you have power] just send your [address girly ]bye end off my visit you and your husband will have completely different outlook on life that i will promise .i will show you how whores get treated in my world .i am judge and jury come into my world you little parasite and you will the full strike of mental illness i am obsessed revenge and want to hurt you gods truth
Gaz 30 Oct 2018
My ex wife provides me with bad clothing when I have them for the weekend. Inadequate and nearly always the same. I pay her maintenance privately which was discussed in court.
fairplay2018 15 Oct 2018
our son was 18 yrs old march 2018, he goes college 13hrs a wk, from this sept, he now gets a bursary paid into his bank account of £25 per wk. his mother has told him he may have to get a part time job. He told me that his mother has now had her benefits reassessed and he now gets a bursary. The reassessment included her two older children, one 24yrs on sickness benefit (his mother also his carer) and the other 25yrs full time working. My sons mother also gets housing benefit. If my son gets a bursary now, does that mean his child benefit has stopped? His mother is not approacable to ask and she will certainly keep taking, I also dont want to put my son in a awkward position to ask him if CB has stopped. hence, direct cash maintenance payment should stop., thanks
Jonah 10 Oct 2018
My son is now 18. He stated he did not attend college the last year yet I paid maintenance as he was enrolled to attend. What can I do? He has just started another course in Sept which he is attending(at the moment) but can I get a deduction as I paid a whole year which was unnecessary and he worked full time instead? Thanks
NIn Editor 17 Sep 2018
@Emceeriraf - you can't do anything until child benefit stops. If your daughter doesn't go into college, the college should inform child benefit who will inform CMS.
Emceeriraf 16 Sep 2018
I know my 17 yr old daughter's not in education not living at home but her mum is enrolling her still ??? To claim child benefit what can I do
s87 13 Sep 2018
My partner and his ex are in dispute over how many nights a year they stay when its coming to calculate maintenance, we are just about to get married, have just bought a house and about so about to move, so i suggested getting it recalculated so we know here we were every month - which the CMO did. He has based his calculations on between 52-103 per year which is correct shes claiming its less - what happens then? we also have 6 weeks where she withheld the children so we could not see them then numerous emails over numerous holidays asking to have them more but her refusing saying they had plans, even though the kids say they were at home playing computer games. We also have an arrangement agreed Through Cafcass in the courts stating we do every other weekend and half the holidays - which she refuses to do adhere to instead withholds them willy nilly. Now i work full time and partner is in the Forces so obviously has to go away on exercise/tour etc (which will effect nights spent once he deploys again in future) but always we try and rearrange but she refuses - so what happens now will they just take her word for it? Just looking for some advice/guidance really a she she is trying to claim the higher amount of below 52 nights per year x Thanks
SeparatedDads Editor 3 Sep 2018
When child benefit stops, then so will child maintenance payments, When child benefit eligibility stops, CMS will be notified and child maintenance payments will stop automatically. Yes, you would continue paying child maintenance in the July-September interim period.
Nooks 3 Sep 2018
My son turned 17 in june he hasn't spoken to me in 2 years I have no communication with my ex wife impossible to do this. Apparently he has decided to go to college I'm not sure he will even go as he never went to school would I have had to pay the 2 months in between July to September as my money stops when he turned 17 and how will I know if he attends college am I not entitled to know if he goes or not if I am paying.
Chicken wire 31 Aug 2018
I have my son most weeks 4 nights overnight stay, my ex has said to the csa he only stays 2 !!!! So how do i prove this when even on school holidays hes always with me , she has lied and there seems to be nothing to do , she has a house with no mortgage which i half payed for while I'm struggling , I don't want my son to come less but at 14 he eats like a man and while I'm at work the bills rack up ??? Waiting for a tribunal but court says 18 month waiting time , so in meantime I pay the extra and even if goes to court how do i prove her wrong ??? My word against hers , and involving child isnt an option he wouldn't pick a side either way
Alex 28 Aug 2018
Why is my son's ex allowed to have access to how much he earns? Surely that violates the data act Why does the money he pays now get deducted from benefits- 3 different dad's paying her mainrainance for 3 children all on top of benefits.....she will never work Meanwhile my son and partner work very hard but have to pay an irrational amount of money for his child how us thus fair?
SeparatedDads Editor 13 Aug 2018
You do not have to pay any more than CMS have assessed you should pay. However, if you have a family-based child maintenance arrangement then this should be decided between you.
Kurt 10 Aug 2018
I pay more than what i should be paying according to csa but my soon to be x wife is insisting on more. She has just returned from a holiday in Spain with kids and now is demanding more money. What are my rights? I obviously would never see my kids without cloths food etc but she is left with a nice house and recently bought a bmw in light of all this...
SeparatedDads Editor 19 Jul 2018
Your are still required to may maintenance to the primary carer of your child to help towards the day-to-day care of your daughter.
Yanto2 17 Jul 2018
My ex partner has a documented history of child neglect against my daughter,where do I stand legally in regards to paying my ex maintenance??
Jen 11 Jul 2018
Hi my partner has been trying to see his kids now for two years, he asks his ex wife to see the kids but she responds with abuse or telling him his kids don't want to see him, she has even gone as far to get them to write letters saying they don't want to see him, but hasn't given a reason why he can't see them. She still let's his ex girlfriend see his kids and uses this to get a reaction from him. He was going to go to court but she manipulated him into backing down after saying it would upset his kids. We recently found out and have on video her giving his children alcohol there are 11 and 12. And she is now telling him she is spending his child support payments on shoes for herself, we also have evidence of this. He pays £430 a month and never sees his children even tho he would like to. We tried mediation and she didn't show up. He is scared if we go to court it wont go in his favor and he will lose Kids forever even tho he doesn't get to see them now he lives in hope one day he will. What is the best thing he can do? He is in arrears with CSA but hasn't missed a payment now for two years. The last time he saw his children there was no problem and they were happy to see him, it is since the breakdown of his last relationship and him starting a new one his ex wife has stopped him seeing his kids We now have a child together the children's half brother and would like them to be part of his life. My partner needs advice
SeparatedDads Editor 12 Jun 2018
Unfortunately, not. Your ex is not responsible for supplying clothes for your child when your child is out of her care. Families deal with such issues usually via negotiation. However, most non-resident parents have a set of everything at their own home.
Tmj 11 Jun 2018
I received a large bonus last year which was unexpected but much needed. My weekly payment has gone up by a third. I can't afford it but that's the way it goes. However my ex refuses to send my son to me with any clothes. I pick him up from school and he comes with the uniform on his back. If he comes on a non school day he comes in crocs and sweat pants.no coat, trainers, underwear or pyjamas. She's even sent him out to me without a coat in a thunder storm. I've asked many times for her to send a change of clothes but she refuses. Now I'm paying more to her a month than the average mortgage, I can't afford to continue buying clothes on top and she is still refusing to send anything. Is there anything I can do?
Cj 9 Jun 2018
Hi, my ex has decided to take me to csa even though I have no proplem in providing for my two kids always baught them new shoes haircuts clothes etc even when unemployed I feel that she will definitely not be spending the money on my pair. Also do I need to get in contact with them over holidays and if social is involved in they lives though her fault? ?
Mother 23 May 2018
@Xr1200.mental heath is a big problem but can be treated.i have known people to fake been ill because they are hiding something or have changed that much from association with shady characters where you would remember them anymore.you can’t reach them once they cross they don’t care for family or old friends they care for only them.
Xr1200 23 May 2018
Hi all, My ex wife has suffered mental health problems for many years. My son who is now 19 years old failed to return to college in September last year and took a job in September/ October 2018. I was not aware of this and like a jackass kept paying her the CMS assessment until December 2018. My ex wife was sectioned in November 2018 and she currently remains in a mental hospital. On finding out my son is working I informed the CMS in December 2017 they told me there was nothing they could do as she was still receiving child benefit and it was for me to report to their fraud team in the mean time I needed to continue paying her. Child benefit were contacted as well in December 2017. Again the seem to have little interest and I was told to speak to the benefits agency fraud team which I did. It is now 6 months on and the CMS have sent me another assessment for another year of payments. My son will be 20 in November. He also claimed sickness benefit in December 2017. I have had several heated arguments with CMS recently over this matter as it is completely unfair and nobody seems interested. What should I do? My son earns nearly as much as I do!
SeparatedDads Editor 1 May 2018
Your son cannot reduce child maintenance if paid via CMS. If he has a family-based child maintenance arrangement, he can negotiate with his ex. However, if your son is paying via CMS, then his ex is not under any obligation to supply clothing. There are no rules or regulations attached to child maintenance payments.
Howard8 1 May 2018
Hi all, Quick question asked loads no doubt. I like most have the dd 4 nights a week pay 50% of everything else plus CSA requirements. I was until recently in a job that gave inc bank holidays 33 days a year. I used these to cover half the school holidays plus 1 week paid school club. I have a new job that states I can’t work bank holidays and use them for school cover. Told this to the ex and was given the response of “well you’ll have to find a club” for the days I can no longer cover. My question is does the CSA payment cover all my 50% costs for school holidays or am I required to pay to cover 6.5 weeks of school holidays.
Keeney 30 Apr 2018
Hi my son pays over £1k per month for his 3 children. He has contact 2 weekends in 4 and half of all school holidays as agreed by the courts. His ex wife refuses to supply him with shoes, clothes and coats during their visits. Is it right he should buy these it seems a waste as they do not get the wear out of them. He has asked for her from time to time to supply them with appropriate clothing. Can he reduce his maintenance in order to replace worn clothing
SeparatedDads Editor 20 Apr 2018
You can see more regarding this matter by the CMS whichwhich will tell you more. You would have to sort this matter out directly with CMS.
Hildas 19 Apr 2018
Hi I have a 14 year old son and have been paying my ex £60a week for 13 when I had him only 2 afternoons a week , now I have moved a bit further i have him 4 nights a week including all the weekend , every school holiday i have him 90 per cent of time , I have told my ex i can't afford what i was paying because he's here more than there !!!! She still demanded money but I said no , now she's gone to csa and lied saying he's here only 3 days a week ?????? What do i ???????
SeparatedDads Editor 19 Apr 2018
The receiving parent does not have to justify what they choose to spend child maintenance on. CMS will not request this either and will pay the money directly to her.
Hsing 18 Apr 2018
For the past 4 years I’ve seen my kids once in the week and alternate weekends, as my income has reduced my ex wants to stop me seeing my child to increase cms payments? Surely this isn’t fair?
Kev 17 Apr 2018
Hi I'm asking for advice for my partner he has his kids every week and overnight at least twice dependant on work shifts and he pays his ex wife £30 a week but she is an alcoholic so he has said he just wants proof of where the money is going so he will pay the money to her rent or has and electric or whatever but at least he will know it's not going on drink but she's going mad and saying he can't tell her how to spend her money etc etc and she will go to csa which is fine if she does this can he put a case across for her not to get cash as it's being spent on drink??
SeparatedDads Editor 9 Apr 2018
Unless there is agreed shared-care, then if you have your child between 52 and 103 nights per year, then full child maintenance is reduced by 1/7th for each child, if you have your child overnight for 104 and 155 nights: child maintenance is reduced by 2/7th for each child. Between 156 and 174 nights: child maintenance is reduced by 3/7th for each child and if you have your child for 175 nights or more nights: child maintenance is reduced by 50%, plus an extra £7 a week reduction for each child. Talking to your ex directly and/or mediation may be an option for you to consider. Your only other recourse would be to take the matter to court (if your ex refuses mediation) in order to apply for joint residency. You may wish to seek some legal advice about taking the matter further, if you wish to pursue this. The fact that you have your child overnight frequently will help your case. However, if your ex is not working and is considered the primary carer of your child, then the court may leave the payment arrangement as it is. As in all cases, the court’s main concern is the welfare of the child in question. The court will always put the child’s best interests first and this main issue will determine the outcome of any application for an order.
Travis 8 Apr 2018
Hi. I have my Daughter 3 full days and 3 nights a week. I have to pay my ex a weekly maintenance fee. When I have my daughter I have to feed her. Cloth her, keep a warm house and roof over her head etc, the same as she does. I get no help with anything. Yet I still have to pay maintenance to my ex. In total my ex has only has my daughter four days a month more than me. I was just wondering if anyone could shine some light on this for me as a lot of people believe that I shouldn’t really have to pay anything, or at most, pay a lot less than I already am seeing as it’s pretty much joint custody. I know these situations always play into the hands of the mother. But I’ve literally got my daughter half of the week, yet I still have to pay. Is there anyone I could contact that could help me in giving me some proper advice as I’m struggling to find much online. Thanks
SeparatedDads Editor 6 Apr 2018
For @Josh too. Your ex is under no obligation to provide the clothes for your child when your child comes to stay with you. Child maintenance is paid towards the child's day-to-day needs (which can mean towards food, utility bills, school lunches etc). Most non-resident parents supply thier own clothes for their children when they come to stay.
Mr M 5 Apr 2018
I have the same issue as josh has posted. I pay full maintenance every single month, despite the fact that my ex only lets me have my daughter at the very most one weekend a month. Despite all that, when my daughter does actually stay, my ex does not send any clothes with her and expects me to have a full wardrobe for my daughter. So I obviously have no choice but to buy more clothes for her. Is she allowed to do this or am I able to take the cost of the clothes off the next months maintenance? And does anyone else know who I can seek advice from with things like this where they don’t treat you like you’re the bad guy?
Josh 31 Mar 2018
I pay my child maintenance every month but the ex refuses to provide clothes when my daughter stays over and expects me to pay for her own wardrobe at mine......meaning less money to have nice days out when I have her! Anything I can do as the maintenance is for things like clothes etc also cost of living I know!
SeparatedDads Editor 25 Jan 2018
The amount of money the primary carer receives is not based upon the child, but upon the non-resident parent's earnings. CMS will not calculate maintenance on income over £156,000; income above that amount can only be considered by the court in order to provide ‘top-up’ maintenance to the resident parent, CMS will inform the resident parent this is the course of action she will need to take, if she wishes to apply for further child maintenance.
JL 24 Jan 2018
Hi I am paying maintenance for my son each month to the sum of £1095, he is only 4 years old. Yes I think it’s totally diabolical that I should have to pay this for a 4 year old, it does not cost that bring a child up each month, the money I pay is a lot more than some peoples mortgage payments. I know these are the rules so not much I can do about them. What I am worried about though is that I have had a salary increase and my net take home per month is now £30,000. Upon going on to the CS Calculator it still seems to max out at £252pw / £1095pm I have done some investigating and it seems if my ex partner wants more than that amount then she would need to take me to court and apply for a top up, is this true or when I am reassessed will the CMS automatically start taking even more money from me? Will the CMS tell my ex what I am earning and that she can now apply to a Court to get more from me? Does anyone have clarification on this? Many thanks
SeparatedDads Editor 23 Jan 2018
Much depends upon whether they are living at home or university. If they are living at home, then unless the mother agrees otherwise, the money should still be paid directly to her, if that's what the order stipulates.
Jenny 20 Jan 2018
My husband has an agreement to pay maintenance until his children finish their first degree. He has always had issues that the money hasn't been spent on them so now that they are 18 he wants to give it directly to them so that they can afford the things they need for university. Can he do this? His ex has never really provided clothes for them only at Christmas and birthdays. They have been spending their own savings on essentials. He has tried to talk to them about it but they daren't ask their mum so my husband ends up buying essentials for them. He fears they may have problems asking her when they go to university so can he just give the maintenance directly to them?
SeparatedDads Editor 15 Jan 2018
Child maintenance is assessed upon the level of earnings the non-resident parent brings in. For instance, on the basic rate (with no overnight stays at the non-resident parent's house), for one child, the NRP will pay 12% of their gross weekly income, two children, the NRP will pay 16% of their gross weekly income. For three or more children, and individual will pay 19% of your their weekly income.
Wordofmouth 14 Jan 2018
I have a 1yr that I pay maintenance for at £400 a month. With the cost of living and travel to work, my 1yr old apparently needs more to live on than a fully grown man. I have asked the ex to be amicable and try to workout a happy medium that I can afford but she will not budge. She has 3 kids with her previous partner and he only pays £400 a month for all 3 of his kids but I pay the same sum for just one child. Im happy to pay for my child but im not happy that the money i pay is clearly going on someone elses kids. And why do ex's benefit even more from the paying parents if they work harder and earn more to make up for the alreasy extortionate £400 a month??
Mojo 10 Nov 2017
Hi, I have my son 3 nights a week and all day Saturday, I pick him up and drop him off every time, I pay my ex £200 a month in maintenance, I pay for his swimming lessons as she does nothing with him and now she is refusing to buy him a winter coat saying I should pay for it. This is exactly what the £200 a month is supposed to be for?! If I buy him a coat what would happen if I just deducted the cost of it off her next payment? And gave her the receipt to prove the cost? Realistically would CMS get involved over the fact I had withheld £30-40 of it?
Shaker 26 Oct 2017
I'm paying the maintenance money for a 1year old child and my ex is misusing the money by always drinking beer with friends and now she left my son with her old mom since on Saturday even today she hasn't arrived
troy 23 Oct 2017
Hi my ex wife never asked me for maintainace for are so n while he was younger but now has decided to ask for maintainace after 20 years
Xcc 20 Oct 2017
Hi i have a 6 year old child with my ex who has gone to csa for payments. There telling me i must pay £50 a week in csa. I cannot afford this as i have 2 other children and have debts that also need paying. Ive tried to negotiate £20 a week plus buying clothes uniform shoes etc as and when he needs them but she is point blank refusing. What can i do thanks
OllieM Editor 4 Sep 2017
@Sam The person who your partner's child is currently living with should register that he/she is caring for the child. That person will be able to claim child maintenance from both your partner and the child's mother if this is the case.
Sam 1 Sep 2017
My partner is paying cms for his child but she does not live with her mother anymore & cms won't listen to him & his ex is breaking the law, what can he do as his daughter is not getting a penny of this money?
SeparatedDads Editor 22 Aug 2017
Your partner can see how much he should be paying through CMS via which
Jessie 18 Aug 2017
My partner and I have his son after school on Tuesday Thursday and Friday then Saturday overnight to Sunday. we feed him 5 days a week and pick him up from school Because his mother isn't there until 8-9pm most days. We help him with his homework, (he doesn't have a computer or printer at home which is essential for homework nowadays) we also pay for his once a week guitar lesson and drive him there and back. We also have him in school holidays overnight for each day of the holiday, Easter, Christmas and a week in the summer. Do we still have to pay so much??
SeparatedDads Editor 3 Aug 2017
It is up to your husband's mother if she wishes to look after/ take the children out. This is considered a voluntary arrangement and she cannot claim money back from the resident parent. Child maintenance payments are calculated/averaged across the full year and your husband will be required to continue payment.
Sharban17 2 Aug 2017
My husband pays maintenance, which has been worked out by the CMS. He has two girls, which we have every other weekend and for tea every Thursday. In the school holidays, my husbands ex partner, takes the girls to their grandmas (my husbands mothers), this is not something my husband has agreed to, but his ex works full time, so of course, she needs child care (free) and she asked that his mum helps out. This happens twice a week, in the school holidays. My mother in law feeds them and takes them out, using her own money. This is annoying in itself, because my husbands ex is very financially well off, which I think, she should at least offer to give my mother in law money to spend on them. (But that's another story)! In the 6 weeks holiday, we have the girls for a week. We can never afford to take them away, due to the fact my husband pays so much in maintenance payments and my wage isn't great either. What I would like to know, is; does my husband still have to pay maintenance, even if they are with us for that week? we have an extra food bill and the costs of taking them out on day trips. Is there no payment holiday for him, during that period? Is my mother in law, able to claim for money spent on her grand kids? I thought that the law had changed, whereby, grandparents could receive money for providing childcare. How does the law stand on those circumstances?
Wj 27 May 2017
Hi I have a property I was living in with my ex, the property is mortgaged solely by myself. I have recently rented this property & my ex has her sights on the income ! Is this taken into account by CSA and how is it calculated
SeparatedDads Editor 23 May 2017
I'm afraid your partner's ex does not have to justify what she spends your partner's child maintenance payments on. It all goes towards their children's day-to-day care which at £25 per week for each child will get sucked up very quickly. Utility bills, food, school transport/dinners are just a few of the items a primary carer has to pay for.
Nikki 22 May 2017
Hello, my partner has twins aged 10 he rarely sees them due to her taking the kids with out his consent across the country. He pays 200 a month and he has two more children with me. The children rarely live with the mother they are mostly at their grandmother's house. The children when they stay with us when they have a school holiday which is not a lot.we have to buy them a new bunch of clothes and shoes the girl has nits and they over all are very shabby and have been wearing the same clothes for the past few years. So we pay for everything and she's spending the maint on her holidays for her and new boyfriend and her glamours life style. Can anything be done please?
SeparatedDads Editor 22 May 2017
I'm afraid your ex does not have to justify what she spends child maintenance payments on.
Lister 21 May 2017
I have been happily divorced for over 5 years, today I had a heart to heart with my 17 year old daughter. It appears for the past two years my ex has been making my daughter use her own savings to buy her clothes, shoes and other essentials. Her savings are all gone now and her mother has refused to buy her shoes, clothes and even underwear. I share care 50/50 and pay through child maintenance, I did originally have a consent order which after 12 months my ex in her infinite wisdom decide to tell the CMA to apply to the court to dissolve. My question; Is there any redress so that my daughter can receive the essentials she needs? I would quote the CM options site which defines what maintenance is for but I am sure the more enlightened here already know. Thanks
Rick 18 May 2017
Hi. I was wondering if somebody could advise me. I have a son with my ex wife. I currently pay £ 613.00 per month in child maintenance as calculated by the CMS. She is now refusing to let me see him until we have an agreement for contact in place. The sticking point for her is that she believes that I should be buying him clothes for the time I spend with him. I have tried to reason with her saying that the maintenace is for clothing for him at all times not just when he is with her. Any thoughts, comments or previous experience would be greatly appreciated. Rick
SeparatedDads Editor 11 May 2017
If you have a family-based arrangement that is not assessed via CMS, then you can negotiate payments between you. If your payments go through CMS then you would be liable for arrears. You might want to speak to CMS directly, or ask your ex to verify that she no longer wants child maintenance through a legal document.
Barry 11 May 2017
My ex partner has said that she no longer wants to receive payments for child maintenance. On average I have my two daughters 3 days and nights a week. I'm worried that although she has said this ( and I also have it saved in messages) she may in the future decide otherwise and try to back date payments. Would she be able to request backdated payments based on this?
Hopefull 6 Apr 2017
Hi my husband was married before he pays child maintenance according to what he should every month it go stray to her bank. We have him every other weekend for three days he is now doin over time to pay for bills bit this overtime won't be forever only while it's there does this mean he will have to pay her more
jane 27 Mar 2017
My partner split from his ex 4 years ago and has always made paymentsome towards his daughter in line with guidelines of 80 pounds a week. he was seeing his daughter up until Dec 2015 but then ex refused to allow his access he has been to court and they have said it's upto the child as she is now 12. my concern is the mother has brain washed the child and now refuses to even speak to her dad so not only does he pay an extreme amount to but he does not get to spend any time with her. is this in line with cms
SeparatedDads Editor 21 Mar 2017
Unless you agree otherwise between you, CMS payments are calculated to be averaged over the year.
Ian 20 Mar 2017
I pay maintenance to my ex wife (as advised by the online CSA calculator) under our own terms for my 2 children. She has decided that the best case for her if to have it paid into her account on a monthly basis via standing order. I live 115 miles away from my children and only have them every other weekend. If I have my children for 15 days over the summer holidays do I only have to pay her half of the maintenance for that month (considering that they will be in my care for the other half)?
SeparatedDads Editor 3 Mar 2017
You are not entitled to deduct the money and you would be liable for arrears of you stopped payment. I'm afraid this is an issue that has to be resolved between you and your ex and it is an issue that affects many parents. Your ex doesn't not have to justify what she spends child maintenance on, but it may be that she specifically sends your daughter in old clothes when she comes to your home (many parents do). You can only really try to discuss this with your ex and/or put your hand further in your pocket to provide other clothes for while she is staying with you and send your daughter back home her old clothes. Unfortunately, there are no rules regulating how a parent should clothe their child.
Lee 2 Mar 2017
Hi, I have always paid CSA in accordance with their calculations, this has since changed to CSM, I phoned the CSA and asked them how to go about payments etc and they stated I should carry on paying the same amount just directly to the ex. I started an account solely for this and have started making payments on amonthly basis but was wondering, my daughter regularly turns up with clothes that are too small and worn, school uniform that is incorrect and again too small and never gets her haircut, obviously as a young girl she loves having long hair but most of the time it is almost impossible to get a brush through due to the split ends etc. My maintanace surely should cover these things? I am not too worried about casual clothing but haircuts and school uniform must come into it? Unfortunately I have tried buying new uniform however on her return to me I just again get worn and unusable clothing. Am I within my rights to deduct the money I need to spend providing my daughter with what she requires from my payments, I would always keep receipts, otherwise it would seem htat I am going to have to continually have my hand in my pocket to avoid embarrassment for our child.
Freetown3 9 Jan 2017
My boyfriend was married in his previous relationship and has a son of 2 years old and they are yet to legally divorce/separate. She is a stay at home mum and on benefits whilst my boyfriend and I work 50plus hours a a week For us to live and for him to pay his child maintence. The mother allows him to see his son every other weekend and one day a week. She then changes her mind and says that the child needs to see you more so have him an extra 2 nights a week which we are more than happy to do but then she changes her mind and says no you can't have him now. And now she's demanding more than double his agreed CSA payment and says that we only have him 2 nights a month. We have agreed to have him more but if she doesn't allow it and she says we don't have him enough where do we stand? It's mentally exausting!
Confuzzled 10 Dec 2016
My partner has "half shared care" of his daughters. I've used quotations there because that's what the children's mother classes it as but it's not the reality. This year we have had his 2 children 192 days between January- November. Yet their mother claims child benefit for both children (and would never give this up as she uses it to claim other benefits like tax credits, etc) and my partner also has to pay her maintenance money! Just wondering what steps would have to be taken for him to stop paying maintenance? We don't care about child benefit money, she's welcome to that but he's effectively paying for the children when they are here and there but because they are there less...it's paying their mother not to have the children!
SeparatedDads Editor 18 Nov 2016
If your partner is giving his ex money in a family-based arrangement, he should pay via direct debit or bank transfer, not cash. However, only if he pays via the CMS will he be liable for arrears if his ex says he has not paid. He can see how much he should be paying via the CMS calculator here.
Emma 18 Nov 2016
Just a bit of advice , my partner has separated from his wife 2 years now , he pays her car at over £100 per month and gives her £150 in cash for his two children , he keeps them 3 nights per week , he pays half of school uniforms , xmas and what ever else the kids need , dinner money on the days he takes them to school etc , his ex wife is now saying that he hasn't given her any money since they split up but there are witnesses including the children , what can he do about this , when they split she set the days and time he has the kids and she set how much money she wanted and he just agreed , this is causing him stress , as the divorce has just started !!
seenitfromtheothersi 10 Nov 2016
misuse a CSA payment. - FYI I have a 9 year old son. His dad hasn't seen him since he was 18 months old. He pays/paid nothing towards him. I work full time. I have a 4 year old stepdaughter, she lives with her mother. My partner is unemployed, and has his daughter (for sleep) 2-3 days a week. He owes NOTHING in child maintenance but pays £15.00 a week for her - he always moans that his ex goes out a lot - she can because we have his daughter on Thurs/fri/sat nights.... but we agree that his daughter is well looked after whilst she is with her mom therefore she ISNT misusing the CSA money - she tries to by asking for more when she is skint, BUT we always say no and tell her to manage her money better.
Seenitfromtheothersi 10 Nov 2016
I would like to remind all parents out there that the money given to an ex partner for children should be seen as house hold income, not money solely to be spent on your child. Everyone has to pay for gas, electricity, water, rent, council tax (even those on benefits have to contribute) TV licence, internet, phone, food! .... these are ALL ITEMS that your child would be using whilst living at home with the other parent. What you are paying for is the daily living expense of the child, not for clothes, shoes or things for special occasions.The other parent will have another source of income, whether it benefits or wages and if you are good with your money then you can live quite comfortably. Most fathers I have come across moan about "my child had dirty clothes on" "her shoes where scuffed" "my child was hungry" - big whoop! Kids get dirty, kids ruin clothes/shoes.... kids are ALWAYS hungry - take a look in the mirror! Has you child got dirty with you - YES, has your child ruined clothes/shoes whist with you? YES, does your child get hungry with you? YES, so why do you judge your ex? why do you belittle them and demean them? is it to make you feel better, make you feel you are a better parent? If you gave someone £30 a week and they went out and spent £30 on themselves - is that them "misusing the CSA money"? NO - why? because you child still used electricity, gas, water.. they still needed rent, council tax, a phone to call you, the internet for CBB games ect....... So why claim that the other parent is misusing the payments?..... it would be very different if you had given £30 a week then the parent spent £30 a week and your child lived in a bin in the garden with no food, warmth and shelter........ THAT would be a serious misuse of CSA payments, and I hope that you would do the right thing and advise the authorises of the neglect your child is suffering. CSA is calculated using the total yearly amount the PARENT earns, and how often they have OVERNIGHT visits with the child. For example - £15,500 earnings a year with 2 over night stays a week is £28.20. A parent that has 2 night stays a week but is in receipt of benefits owes NOTHING to the other parent. I think that pages like this need to make it clear what CSA is for. Its not for school uniforms, not for clothes, not for shoes, not for presents or school trips - those are luxuries that ANYONE buys when they can afford to - the CSA money is for the day to day living expense for the child. Anything extra you need to provide for too - as you would if you where still living as a family. Therefore unless your child is being neglected or abused - no parent is actually misusing CSA money - paying parents are often in debt, have other children to pay maintenance for and sometimes can be angry or bitter that they cant see their child more. Pages like this give out "misguided" information - You should be telling parents that unless their child is being neglected or abused then a parents CANT misuse a
SeparatedDads Editor 7 Sep 2016
The only recourse your husband has is to apply through the court for more overnight access. However, this is unlikely to be thought feasible, and in his child's best interests due to the 200 mile journey. It is unlikely a court would remove a child from one parent and hand the child over to another with regards to a residency application, unless it was absolutely necessary. Child maintenance is worked out on an average overnight stay so will make allowances for holidays etc. I can only suggest your husband applies for a variation if he is doing a lot of travelling, But I don't imagine his ex will welcome this if she too is making the halfway journey. It is a very tricky situation, and one where his only recourse is court if his ex is lying about the amount of overnight stays his daughter is having with you.
debs 6 Sep 2016
Can someone please advise. I am now married to my husband who has one child, aged 10. Following the divorce, my husband has paid £324 per month, in addition, as his ex wife had an affair and moved in with her now husband, she has taken his daughter over 200 miles away. There is an agreement where one picks up and another will collect, we have her every school holiday and every weekend where we aren't working which takes us to the middle bracket (at least) we are currently paying the maximum as his ex wife has lied to the CMS re contact. On contacting the CMS they have said that they will just go on what his ex has advised them in relation to contact and the only evidence of access they will accept from us is from the courts. Bearing in mind this will cripple us and e are unable to pay for the court given the monthly outgoings. We are afraid to cause any conflict as she will reduce access in order to maintain her monthly income. His daughter never has anything new, has second hand presents, is put in after school clubs regularly ensuring she works a longer day than her mum, her mum will go away and not tell her daughter she is out of the country when she is with us, an entire school holiday with us and only one phone conversation with her mum which I instigated. His daughter really wants to come back to live with us but due to her age is not considered old enough to make her own decisions. Her mum will never allow it as she will lose too much money. She has threatened us with not seeing his daughter overtime we do not agree to certain things. I am at a loss...the cos clearly discriminate toward well meaning dads and assume that all mums are honest, the reality is, these mothers hold all the cards and do not always hold the childs best interests. Why is there not a system in place where the CMS contact the mother and hold her accountable for the dates which can be given, dated photographs, text messages, etc. It is despicable that they take everything at face value and do not take into consideration other outgoings. Not only that, but we are paying more to clothe and feed a 10 year old girl than the average adult gets from the government, that is supposed to include enough for daily living expenses. It is an absolute disgrace.
Grey wolf 27 May 2016
It's a disgrace that csa do not take into account living expenses of the single father. So essentially the the carer gets the following, housing benefit, and general benefit money, milk tokens (depending on kids age), child payment money. Let's be honest with this all in total they are living more than comfortably. Now as a single dad without children we have to pay full rent, buy food, and pay bills and child support which might I add leaves me with about as much money as I'd be on with benefits as I've 4 children. However what about the welfare of the children they say. Well I tell you what, when I was living with the ex, I done it all with my wages all in while giving her money to go out at weekends and she never contributed to the costs of us living. At the moment I don't have a home but no one cares, I can't get a anything but a private rented house, I can't get a mortgage yet it would work out cheaper for me to pay by month. Noooo I have to pay extortionate prices for a private place and pay child support and food gas and electric. So I work 40 hours per week to earn £70.00 which I'm expected to live on which is benefit money. While others who don't work get the same. Then the government run about telling you oh hey work it will benefit you we promise, more like benefit the pockets of the rich and people who don't want to work and women with children that get almost everything paid for them anyway without the addition of child support, and yes I know exactly what the ex gets on benefits and yes I could look after the kids on less and they would still be well looked after. But no she goes out drinking every weekend and has the nerve to ask me to babysit. I don't babysit as it sickens me. She smokes cigarettes when I can't afford to (not that I'd want to). Then she calls and tortures me every week for more money as she explains the children need it, I explain you shouldn't of went out drinking. But no I get the I'm neglecting my children and they have no food excuse. That to me is neglect in itself I give her 58.00 a week and she can't even ensure she get a weeks shopping out of it. Then she uses the kids against me, threatens me I can't see them. I pay 58 per week, not too bad really if she struggled like I did and hadn't the money to drink and smoke like me. Now if she matches that at 58 with the money she's on which she can afford that's 116 per week and there's no chance in hell it take 116 a week to look after the kids where we live. It may occasionally but I know this as I done it on my wages alone without anyone's help. All in all with chold support she earns more than me and even more after deductions of my wages!
SeparatedDads Editor 5 Apr 2016
Unfortunately not. As the paying parent your maintenance payments are based upon the amount of money you earn, not what the primary carer of your child spends the money on. The primary carer can spend the money how she wishes if she is caring for your child's day-to-day needs.
Skintdad 4 Apr 2016
I pay £300 a month csa,I pay for my sons swimming lessons I take him for hair cut every month cos his mother refuses to take him,he never in tidy clothes or shoes I buy him clothes when he his up with me, she is always out every weekend is there anyway I can see where my csa is spent ??
Nickster 27 Mar 2016
I have a question in regards my ex wanting to increase now much I pay her , I pay £20 extra per month over what the csa advises , she and my 2 kids are moving into a new house , and because she can longer claim child tax credits towards childcare , she has emailed to advise that I need to increase my payments to her. Surely for general household costs would be now better off with two incomes instead of one , I have always paid my way for last 4 years , schools trips , new shoes , coates , etc does she have any rights , what would you advise
Blossy 4 Mar 2016
Hi Can anyone help. Recently split from my wife, I have two properties arranged as one house, she has an occupation order for both. The Mortgage is 2000 a month, my salary is 3000 and I recieve 1400 a month from lodgers at the house. I currently rent somewhere for 750 a month and have increased travel costs in the region of 200 per month but am technically homeless from April as I have to move out. All the disruption and stress (my kids are under a CPP for emotional abuse and has meant I am having to close my business and I am Hoping to pick up some freelance work. My wife does two half days of work a month, my three kids are at school - I have suggested she gets a job. Questions are am I paying enough, should I pay more? Currently including bills I give about 2400 a month my question is am I obliged to give more??? My wife is hassling me for maintenance and my take is she needs to find
SeparatedDads Editor 2 Mar 2016
You can't claim money back or deduct the money from the financial agreement with your ex unless she agrees. If you buy clothes for your child, you can do this in addition to your CMS payment - this is your choice.
Gb 1 Mar 2016
I am paying money as agreed with the CMS and I was wondering, if I need to buy clothes, etc am I allowed to either deduct an amount to cover this expenditure from my payment or claim this money back?
SeparatedDads Editor 14 Jan 2016
Regardless of whether you pay maintenance or not, it depends on whether you take your responsibility as being a parent as a shared one or a financial one. Some fathers believe that to be a parent is to share not only the financial repsonsibility, but the logistical or physical one as well, which means dividing time of having children between parents equally. There is no legal requirement for you to have your children in the school holidays, but with modern parenting, some fathers would assume it was fair to help out in the school holidays etc. However, this is a matter between you and your ex. If you cannot resolve it between you, perhaps Mediation may be the way forward, please see link: Mediation: What is it and is it For Me? here. I hope this helps.
Pedro 13 Jan 2016
I pay maintenance every month and have done since we split up nearly 3 years ago. My ex has now demanded I take time off work during the school holiday's so i can look after them. I was was wondering if it was a legal requirement for me to do this since I pay maintenance and take care of them every Wednesday evening and every other weekend. Pete
SeparatedDads Editor 14 Dec 2015
I am sorry to hear this. A clean financial break might be what you need to release you from this. Despite what you say, the courts will try to be fair and will attempt to rule for what it thinks is in the best interests of your children. You do not have to pay your ex above and beyond what the CMS would calculate (). I'm afraid I cannot give any more useful advice as it will be up to the courts to decide about what happens to your house, when it should be sold and the percentage of equity you may recieve. However, I do suggest you continue paying the mortgage for the time being as this will help you in court and your future claim on the house.
Josh 13 Dec 2015
I've been split from my ex for nearly 3 years and divorced for about 6 months. I have 2 children 13 and 10 who live with their mum in the family home. I have always paid my way and am lucky to have a good job which enables me to pay a high rate of maintenance. I also pay for half the mortgage and extra payments when I get extra income. Our financials have not been completed as she won't agree to anything. She didn't want to do a financial disclosure but demands a copy of my p60 yearly which I have refused. She now wants to take me to court to basically ruin me when all I have done is the right thing by my children. I just don't know what to do anymore, can she demand a financial disclosure now, do I have to keep paying half the mortgage for only a 30% equity share. I've had a solicitor but now represent myself as I don't want to keep spending my children's inheritance on this. I'm a good person and good dad but my ex doesn't seem to want to trust me even though I always pay the children's maintenance on time and send her extra. Dads do seem to get a really hard deal when it comes to divorce, the mums seem to hold all the cards.
SeparatedDads Editor 2 Dec 2015
If you think you have been treated unfairly or you are sure you have paid (can you speak to your employer/former employer to ask for the records to be checked), then you can complain or appeal, I hope this helps.
Mac 1 Dec 2015
I've been paying my Csa through a deo since 2001 I was assessed in 2007 . Now my children are 18 my Csa has stopped now they saying no Csa was not paid between 1/8/06 till 24/7/08 even though I have paid it through a deo. I haven't got my wage slip for 06/07/08 to prove it they say I am in areas of 10,000 pounds what can I do please help
gaz 23 Sep 2015
Thanks Sean it's mega hard feel like my heart is ripped in two I shared so many good times with my ex and I would do anything to get her back the fact that she has completely shut down on me.kills me the most everytime I see the baby she's always got her mam with her she won't allow me to see the baby any other way and it's making me nervous
Sean 23 Sep 2015
@Gaz - I've been reading your comments, it sounds like you are having a tough time, but don't give up mate. All of us dads have to go through these things. I remember when my daughter was born, I felt pushed out too, it's not uncommon. No one gives you the rule book when it comes to having kids, and all of a sudden there's this little thing that's demanding attention from everyone and getting it. Us men can feel pushed out for years. Don't take this the wrong way, it sounds like you have a bit of growing up to do. Instead of turning in on yourself and seeing the negative try to turn it round and take control of the situation in a productive way. Don't harass your ex, but try to prove yourself independently. You're not a bad person, so make sure she knows it. Try and be positive, and not think of yourself in this situation, but of your child. Being positive can work wonders. I hope it works out for you. We're all in a similar boat, us men, and it's not easy!
gaz 23 Sep 2015
With regards to your latest reply to my comment the mistakes I made with my ex was that one night during the night feeds my ex found that I left my daughter in sicky clothing etc and throughout the relationship I was being harsh and demanding attention feeling left out and unloved I was being so stupid and I'm disgusted with myself for it i should of known better after all she's been through with the bad start to the baby being born 12 weeks prem and having fluid on the brain and hospital transfers which I was there for every step of the way, I felt left out because when the baby eventually came home her family was around all day every day and I felt I wasn't getting the correct bonding with my daughter I wanted so I piled pressure on here I really wish I never because I've lost the person I loved and my best friend and I really don't want to give up on her I would do anything to get her back but she keeps saying there's no going back :( I just want my little family back I've longed to have a family of my own for many years now it's gone :( should I give up? I'm not a bad person I have contributed in every way I could just acted badly in terms of family around 24/7 etc etc now I feel completely worthless in terms of providing and giving her the receipts I'm worried that she could turn around and say I haven't paid for the goods and bin the receipts
SeparatedDads Editor 21 Sep 2015
I am sorry to hear this and it has obviously come at a time when you should be enjoying this time with your daughter. On the plus-side, at least your ex is being amenable and giving you the freedom to see your daughter, there are a lot of ex's put a stop to this and it has to go to court as a result. Therefore, if you are scared of things turning 'nasty' it is important to take a rational step back and consider your relationship with your ex, please see article: Developing an Amicable Relationship With Your Ex, link here which may help put things into some sort of context. Regarding the child maintenance, it seems your ex is actually doing the right thing keeping a note of payments and this will benefit you also, as it will show to the CMS that you have been contributing, if needs be. It also sounds as though she is being flexible with the payments and a family-based arrangements is always the better, as it will save you paying the CMS to administrate. If you wish to see how much you should be paying, Also, if your ex is breastfeeding, then it is understandable that she won;t want the child out of her care just yet. My only advice is to try and keep the relationship supportive and amicable, as this will stand you in better stead and may help broken fractures in your relationship. You say you have made 'mistakes' but have not said what they are. When a child is born it can take a lot out of a mother, and she may be exhausted, and fractious coping alone, so you may have to have a bit of patience and understanding here. I have also added an article, Checklist: the Emotional Stages After Separation, link here which may also help. This is very early days, so if your try and keep things in perspective, hopefully soon things may begin to calm down. I hope this helps.
gaz 20 Sep 2015
Hi there my names gaz I really need some help and advice me and my ex broke up on Monday we have a ten week old daughter together she told me that she's happy for me to pay my way for her providing I send cash via bank transfer and to provide proof of payments the other option was she's happy for me to just pick up what the baby needs but in doing that she wants me to hand her all the receipts I'm not sure what she's up to but it's really messing with my mind , I am extremely heart broken by the break up that it's completely destroyed me, I've tried to fix everything and told her that I want to make up for my mistakes and be a proper dad and be there for her but she won't give me a chance I know I've messed up but I just want to prove myself , I'm not eating tidy I've gone in myself completely I'm really finding it hard she was my best friend and the one for me I don't understand how someone can give up on you so easy after 2 years and completely shut down she won't even speak to me when I when to visit the baby the other day her mam was telling me how much my ex is happier and doesn't love me or want me anymore this was all coming from her mother and not my ex mouth , I was told that I can see my daughter as much as I like but while she's in nappies they won't allow me to have her on my own for a few hours or overnight they claim this is because she's under neonatal care I find it so harsh that my daughters life is being run by the grandmother I know I've made mistakes and I'm willing to put them right but surely I don't deserve to be treated this way , I'm hoping there's help out there for me even from a doctor to calm my nerves and my mind I'm scared because I don't want things to turn nasty because I did love my partner all I want is to be civil for our daughters sake but she's hardly doing that much
SeparatedDads Editor 7 Sep 2015
I'm afraid I do not understand your question. If you are outside the UK, then as we are a UK-based site we cannot answer your question as we have no knowledge of law outside the UK.
kumar 4 Sep 2015
My ex wife filed crpc for child in 2011 and she remains absent most of the time or tried to delay the proceedings did not even submit any proof of income any expenditure proof towards son expense now the son is in 11 standar eariler he was in gov added school with no fees. I submitted salary stat gross 35 net 16 after compulsory deduction family court has granted maintenance to child @40set11- set 2011 is it in order. She is ba,bcom.bped and have little share in her parents agriculture land she is is disturbing me as andhow she. Can police complaints,disturbing office atmosphere etc pl guide
Laughy10 22 Aug 2015
Hi there my son is 18 he's just left school and is supposedly going to do a sports course in college and will receive ema. She gets tax credits, child benefit, income support and maintenance for her other 4 kids all to different dads!! Do I still need to pay for my son? I don't mind paying for my son but she gets more money than myself and partner get and we both work and have 2 children . Thanks for ur help in advance
SeparatedDads Editor 9 Mar 2015
@dizzy - you can see what he should be paying via the Child Maintenance Options calculatorhere. If you have another child his payments will be reconsidered if they are paid directly through the CSA/CMA, once your child arrives. Some fathers may wish to contribute extra where they feel it's needed, which it sounds like your boyfriend possibly does. It's nice to know he's a good dad, there are many that deeply resent paying even a penny extra. I hope this helps.
SeparatedDads Editor 9 Mar 2015
@dizzy - you can see what he should be paying via the Child Maintenance Options calculatorhere. If you have another child his payments will be reconsidered if they are paid directly through the CSA/CMS, once your child arrives. I hope this helps.
dizzy 6 Mar 2015
My boyfriend pay's £200 a month as this has been agreed between them and he also pays for breakfast club 2 days a week and after school club 2 days a week is this right should he be paying the breakfast club/ after school club as well as paying the £200 a month, the breakfast and afterschool club comes up 2 around £100 a month he has them for a couple of hrs during the week after school and has them every weekend, where do we stand as we are planning to start a family and this is making it hard as we cannot financially afford it.
PH Editor 26 Jan 2015
@Chris - no, you can't legally ask for receipts of what your ex spends the money on.
Chris 23 Jan 2015
Can I ask for proof and receipts to the amount of money I pay
Nick Editor 20 Jan 2015
@Goodman - it's a reasonable point as child support maintenance should be used specifically for the best interest of the child and to cover the child’s expenses such as food and clothing childcare costs and educational needs. Whereas it is acceptable to use maintenance payments to pay for expenses like residential heating costs, is is not acceptable if it is used as spending money for luxuries. But how do you implement that, perhaps as you say it should be about filling in a form about what it is used on, but then that like most things could be manipulated to juggle the figures, so that we would end up having to pay more.
GoodMan 19 Jan 2015
Sounds like a load of dads, all in the same boat, Going aove and beyond tyet still being made to feel guilt by ex's who still rely on us for money, instead of going out, getting a job and stop living on hand outs for the government, 'exs or grandparents who bail them out!. My new fiance' has her own money, she works 30 hours a week and doesnt ask her ex for a damn thing - she doesnt need anyones money, and shes the best mum i know (apart from my own!) Whereas my lazy Ex is sat at home in a dirty house, watching tv all day while her kids run riot and when she has financial issues (bad management) just asks others for more - the kids dont even get clothes unless I or the grandparents buy them (after seeing they're in shoes too small, ripped toe ends, old dirty clothes etc.) So where is my £300pm going?? Nights out and hotel rooms. Sickening. If you dip into that money for yourself its as good as putting your hand in a charity box! Time for a change- My TAX returns dictate i need to PROVE my earnings with receipts, maybe its time Women had to prove what its being spent on to justify the amount.
sandy 16 Feb 2013
Have a question on DLA payments. If you know payment for DLA for a 4yearold is being misused what can you do.?
Chief 28 Jan 2013
My Son is 19 in June this year but I've been told by the CSA that the Goverment has changed the statutory minimum age rule to 20? My ex-Wife and her partner do not work full time and have an easy life with the sum of Money I am forced to pay out from my Business. I also pay for my youngest Daughter who is 15. Also I am constantly hit for extras with them telling "Mum say she does not have any Money". Caravan at the Coast, Holidays, better Cars then I drive and a Home that lacks very little...no Money? I would rather do more for my Son (and my Daughter) but then let him see who is actually providing it for him rather the paying my ex-Wife who is taking advantage of the situaion but 'emotion tripping' the Children. When can I stop paying her for my Son? Or does the 20 year old rule apply after a certain year?
manutd123 22 Dec 2012
Hi, My ex partner has moved 25 miles away and over 30 miles fom where I work. I have my son overnight one night a week and alternate weekends. Due to the distance away from me my son goes to school breakfast club once a week during school time and after school club 3 times a fortnight. Should I be paying for this since it was not of my doing for her to mave away and since I'm already paying child maintenance?
tony 3 Oct 2012
I have been split from my partner for over a year now and we agreed on a payment of£30 per week I only get to see my child for a few hours on a Sunday never over night and now my ex is asking for £50 per week because her partner has now moved in and her child care support money has been reduced I have offered to help by looking after my child during the week while she is at work but she wants the money instead iam I in the right to refuse extra payment
namor 2 Oct 2012
I split with my ex 14 months ago, was seeing my kids 50/50, all of a sudden she blocked contact and went to the csa, she lied to them and I had to prove I looked after my kids, she did not have to prove I didnt, fundamental difference, I ended up offering mediation through solicitors, she simply hid behind the system and refused to co operate,i had no option but to go to court and apply for a joint residence order, which I got, it cost 2 grand, I still have to pay csa 160 a month even though I have joint custody, my ex now lives with her new partner who is unemployed, and has 3 other kids he doesnt pay a penny for, he never works, i had to plead to a judge to see my own daughters, it should be my right, the csa are an obstacle to fathers seeing their children, how can you go to court whilst they are taking money from your wages, and you have all the normal bills, they are not interested in what is fair and right, they are simply a government organisation that employs legalised theft
David 14 Jul 2012
The maintenance I pay through CSA goes to my ex. She is on benefits etc. Are her benfits reduced by the amount I pay CSA?
kate Editor 14 May 2012
@minty, the ema allowance stopped in Jan 2011. You wouldn't be able to claim child maintenance back for the time your daughter was getting it because it was for her education and would have only been a small amount each week.
minty 11 May 2012
Can somebody tell me if i have to carry on paying my suggested amount of Child Maintance if my daughter is getting EMA or whatever it is now ive been told no and that i can claim back all the weeks i have paid it while she was getting this EMA....thanks
Dwagoner71 22 Apr 2012
My husband was found 2 be 85% financially responcible in supporting his son. Leaving him with only $100.00 a wk 2 live off. The boy never has nice clothes or shoes. He is rearly clean. She keeps gettin evicted from places. But she takes off out of ststr on whims and leavrs the boy here with whom ever she can. 2 wks ago she took off to Iowa 2 see my husbands brother who is fighting 4 his life. Leavin behind her son , whom the school sent home 2 days b4 she took off 4 head lice. And we get a call from her tellin us she is in Iowa and didnt have x 2 deal w it could we. WTF. 1st of all its my husbands brother, not hers. No one in the family likrs.her. But she insists on keepin herself in our lives. What can my husband do ?
humpty 21 Mar 2012
Hi everyone, Ive recently split up with my partner and I am struggling to work out a 50-50 rota for when we can both see the children, (if I can get that far), Does anyone have a good rota or idea? I work full time M-F flexi time and can not afford not to or I will lose everything, can't even afford to take 1 day off I have looked into it, but I still want to see my kids, I have lots of support in the day time and can start and finish work pretty much anytime due to flexi. Any ideas greatfully accepted thanks.
2nd class 19 Mar 2012
My friend exwife has stopped all contact with children and says he must take her to court to resume contact even though he has a court order to see kids every other weekend he paided thousands of pound for a solicitor to get court order and cannot afford to pay out again what is the point of getting court order when she can ignore it,
Peanuts49 24 Mar 2011
I separated from my ex some 10 years ago. I had been making informal payments of maintenance up till about 5 years ago when I lost the tenancy on a particularly cheap property. My ex and I agreed that keeping contact with our children was of greater importance than the monetary payments as in order to keep up these payments would have meant me living in a rented room and not being able to have regular stop overs. However last year my ex's new husband was arrested for indecency towards my eldest daughter and as a result he has had to leave the home. My ex has decided that she wants to work on her relationship with this man and as they now have to pay for his new accommodation etc she has contacted the CSA. I now have to pay almost £300 p/m to her which has left me in severe hardship in providing for my new family. My partner and I have been through all of our bills, reduced spending on food, we walk to the shops, and we have also had to stop paying pocket money to the children. My ex however has recently purchased a newer car, smokes 20 a day and has a manicure every 4 weeks (at £25 a time) and still enjoys weekends away with her husband and foreign holidays. I am of course quite angry about this as is my partner especially as her children are suffering as a result of these payments.

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