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What Rights do I have if I'm not on the Birth Certificate

By: Chris Nickson - Updated: 13 Nov 2019 | comments*Discuss
 
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Q.

I'm not on my son's birth certificate and his mother and I are separated. I'm now in a new relationship and have another child and one on the way.

The thing is my son is only five and no longer wants to live with his mother. My ex contacted me and told me to collect my son as she didn't want him anymore. She said all this in front of him and he was very upset and says he wants to live with me forever.

I'd just like to know how I stand as I'm not on his birth certificate.

(A.W, 14 September 2008)

A.

Essentially, the fact that your name isn’t on your birth certificate means you have no legal rights over your son, unless his mother allows it. If it were there, you’d have exactly the same rights as his mother and be able to make decisions about him.

So, as things stand, she could have him live with you, but she’d also have the right to demand that you return him at any time, and there’d be nothing you could really do about it, which isn’t good for either you or your son.

However, there is some good news. If both you and your ex sign a Parental Responsibility Agreement and file it with the courts, you will have full parental rights over your son. If you can get your ex to agree to this, you should do it as soon as possible. That way, if your son does come to live with you and you ex demands his return, you have legal grounds for Contesting The Custody.

If she won’t sign, you could take the matter to court and apply for a Parental Responsibility Order (see our article on Your Separated Father's Rights), but it will generally only be given if the court believes it’s better than not granting an order.

You’d also be very well advised to have her put in writing that’s she giving you custody of your son. If not, she could feasibly turn around and say you snatched him. It might also be advisable to seek a Residence Order if your son comes to live with you. Seek legal advice first, as it may not be possible to get one.

If there is a problem further down the line, and your ex wants your son back, the court will try to take into account his wishes, too. Certainly a big rejection by his mother is a terrible thing, especially if she did it in front of him – so it’s understandable.

You didn’t mention if you’ve had contact with your son since you and your ex broke up. Nor do you mention how your current partner feels about the situation – which is important. Would she welcome your son into your new home? It’s important do discuss things fully with her and make sure you have her agreement.

Check out the Separated Dads Forum... It's a great resource where you can ask for advice on topics including Child Access, Maintenance, CAFCASS, Fathers Rights, Court, Behaviour or simply to have a chat with other dads.

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My son is 5 years old now and I was not with his mum for very long, as soon as she was 3 months pregnant she kicked me out with no notice nothing ( I felt she used me just to have a baby) . Ever since he's been born all its been is drama, I can see him then I cant its just a big game to her.Now she's got this new fella its even worst he's jumping in now calling the shots. I did see my son for the first time in over 2 years this year but over money she's stop me again with the fella telling me a can't see my child. Oh and just to top it off my name ain't on the birth certificate when we agreed for me to be on it. ( she knew what she was doing)what can I do if anything.
Hurtdad - 13-Nov-19 @ 8:10 AM
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Frostie987 - 8-Nov-19 @ 6:38 PM
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Confused Dad - 17-Oct-19 @ 8:10 PM
Hello..do i have to pay child maintenance if iam not on the birth certificate..thanks
sim - 17-Oct-19 @ 5:58 PM
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Stu889 - 11-Sep-19 @ 3:41 PM
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Petal - 9-Aug-19 @ 9:38 PM
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Moholo - 27-Jul-19 @ 3:18 AM
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Mat - 20-May-19 @ 3:02 PM
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Baden - 27-Apr-19 @ 10:45 AM
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Mj - 25-Apr-19 @ 10:50 PM
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John - 1-Apr-19 @ 7:17 PM
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Chris - 26-Mar-19 @ 5:48 AM
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David24718 - 7-Dec-18 @ 8:32 PM
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helpasap - 27-Nov-18 @ 12:20 AM
Me and my ex broke up two days after we found out we was pregnant. I tried to break up with him before we ever found out due to being controlling, accusing me of cheating and being possessive. He was horrible through my pregnancy by threatening to take me to court. He didn’t show any interest with my pregnancy either. My son is now 6 months old. The father at first was seeing him 3 times a week for a month but then stopped coming round. He’s not on the birth certificate and he hasn’t paid. He also was causing so much drama that put me into a deep depression. But now he wants to see him and start paying. Again he has threatened me with taking me to court. I don’t trust him as he does drugs and doesn’t listen to when it comes to my sons health and safety. I don’t know what to do. Do I let him start seeing his son or not after everything he’s done?
Popcical - 31-Oct-18 @ 4:53 PM
@louie.advice taking you are not my ex I have moved on many years ago .now I am troll for all these sites about this stuff because I never thought about my rights as a father when my was ex left .and now I now she withholds my daughter out of spite because I have read every god damn blog on the internet and this is what they are telling me .but in reality these blogs have been education and fun .
Lou is retiring . - 22-Oct-18 @ 11:22 AM
@chris Im not your ex I dont like a punch to the face Nor did my ex partner other childrens mothers who also have restrsing orders Move on you sound bitter at some one else
Louie - 22-Oct-18 @ 9:26 AM
I had my baby girl 4 months ago her dad cheated when i was 11 weeks pregnant he made my pregnancy hell to the point i was put in counciling so i didnt lose the baby, i had the baby and he got worse and become intimidating and abusive so i got a court order so he cant come near me, hes not on the birth certificate, but hes threatening to take me to court to gain access to my daughter but i dont want him to have her on his own as he frequently tries to commit suicide and has a criminal record or domestic violence against his other childrens mothers, can he gain access so he can have her on his own ? @chris What are the lies the criminal records or the mental health ones ?
Louie - 22-Oct-18 @ 9:20 AM
I had my baby girl 4 months ago her dad cheated when i was 11 weeks pregnant he made my pregnancy hell to the point i was put in counciling so i didnt lose the baby, i had the baby and he got worse and become intimidating and abusive so i got a court order so he cant come near me, hes not on the birth certificate, but hes threatening to take me to court to gain access to my daughter but i dont want him to have her on his own as he frequently tries to commit suicide and has a criminal record or domestic violence against his other childrens mothers, can he gain access so he can have her on his own ?
Louie - 21-Oct-18 @ 9:34 PM
My daughter is 7 years old and I have had regular contact with my daughter for the last 7 years. All of a sudden I am being denied access to my daughter. I am not on the birth certifcate. If I take my childs mother to court will I have stand a chance of getting any parental custody? I am and have been a good father figure for my daughter.
trav - 20-Oct-18 @ 11:09 AM
What responsibilities and rights does my son have with his son. His ex partner is refusing letting him see his son, he’s not named on the birth certificate and wants to but she won’t agree to amending it and he can’t get dna because she won’t let him see him. He pays her weekly for his son and as asked her to do mediation so in the event he can go down the court route, to which she’s refused. Any advice would be much appreciated.
M - 18-Oct-18 @ 4:02 PM
If dad not named on birth certificate . Can stepdad adopt
jennifer sutherland - 23-Aug-18 @ 5:12 PM
Mill - Your Question:
I'm due to have a baby boy on the 23rd December, His dad is controlling and we are no longer together. He turns up to appointments and that's about it. But he's saying I don't have a right to just move with our son. I'm also considering not putting him on the birth certificate. Can I get in trouble or fined if I do so?

Our Response:
You will not get fined or in trouble if you refuse to register the father of your child on the birth certificate. However, the father of your child will be able to apply to court, please see the link here.
SeparatedDads - 16-Aug-18 @ 2:59 PM
mug - Your Question:
Ive been in a relationship with my now ex partner for 15 year we had a daughter together at a very young age and she is now almost 14. in 2016 she had an affair with a much older man and as a result of this she fell pregnant with what I thought was mine. she lead me to believe he was mine up until December last year when I did DNA because I had dowts as he looked nothing like me or my daughter. soon as I found out I left the family home and went on a self distruct mission but now she has social serverces involved saying I was violent throughout our 15 year relationship which I most certainly was not. also my name is on neither of the birth certificates what can I do to get rights over my step son and daughter ?

Our Response:
The link here will help answer your question. If you have brought the boy up as your own then you will have rights to apply for access. If you have to apply to court, then as in all cases, the court’s main concern is the welfare of the children in question. The court will always put the children’s best interests first and this main issue will determine the outcome of any application for an order.
SeparatedDads - 16-Aug-18 @ 2:54 PM
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