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Am I Entitled To Pay Less Child Support?

By: Chris Nickson - Updated: 16 Oct 2018 | comments*Discuss
 
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Q.I am a divorcee living in London and my ex-wife resides in France with our 7-year-old daughter. I visit every 6 weeks and pay 15% of my monthly salary (the payment is £500). They visit London 3 times each year. I also have a 2-year-old daughter with my new partner.

My ex-wife remarried last week and her husband also has a 7-year-old-daughter. Does any of this affect my child support payments?

(T.C, 2 October 2008)

A.

Your seemingly simple question actually raises a lot of very interesting points. You pay the amount mandated by the Child Support Pensions and Social Security Act 2000, which amended the Child Support Act 1991 and 1995, which said the non-resident parent should pay 15% of net income as child support.

However, if the child and custodial parent are resident outside the UK, the 2000 Act doesn’t apply, according to some sources, which could leave you free to petition for a change in the amount of maintenance paid.

Also, if you have to travel long distances and spend a great deal in order to have regular contact, you might be able to petition to have the maintenance reduced.

Perhaps surprisingly, the one factor that doesn’t seem to have any influence on the proceedings is the remarriage of your ex-wife, although you might suppose that would be the one that would affect things most.

You do have a financial responsibility to your daughter until she’s 16 or until she’s 19 if she remains in full-time education; that’s very much the law.

Something you don’t say is how you and your ex arrived at the 15% of your income figure, whether it was agreed mutually, through mediation, or imposed by the courts, or whether her move to France occurred after the divorce.

It would seem that you’d like to reduce your child support payment, and that’s understandable when you’re paying £6,000 a year. However, before you start consulting a lawyer, consider a few things.

From the number of cross-Channel visits – both ways – it would seem that you and your ex are on good terms. Might it be possible for the two of you to talk and maybe arrive at a lower figure for child support? Something arrived at amicably is much better for all parties than going through a legal process.

Additionally, if you are on good terms, taking legal action to reduce child support payments could sour those good relations. Given that you have 10 more years of child support payments and visits, the goodwill might outweigh the money.

But, before you do anything, sit down and have a talk with your lawyer who can give you the proper advice in the situation. Find out more about child support payments in our guide, here.

Check out the Separated Dads Forum... It's a great resource where you can ask for advice on topics including Child Access, Maintenance, CAFCASS, Fathers Rights, Court, Behaviour or simply to have a chat with other dads.

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I have 3 kids I pay child maintenance for if I move in with my partner will my payments for my 3 children come down as my partner has 3 children herself from her previous relationship I.e when it’s says other children you live with do I include them or not as they aren’t mine?
Nikkijean - 16-Oct-18 @ 10:25 PM
Hi I Currently pay £180 a month for my child who lives with her mother and her three siblings, as well as her new partner not the farther of the other children or someone who is employed id just like to point out. The mother creates a abusive relationship with my child and it effects her attitude and causes a lot of arguments she has started to spend more and more time with me. What right do I have to allow her to stay with me full time and stop paying maintenance or reduce payment if she spends more time with me? There is currently no court involvement and my name is on the birth certificate. So I believe its 50/50 custody?
SorryRonnie - 23-Sep-18 @ 10:35 AM
Shaz - Your Question:
Hi I have two children with my ex wife she has moved to wales with her new partner I also have got married and have a child to support I have to pay 475 every month towards csa but I’m struggling financially due to her putting me in debt aswell and leaving it all to me I will be paying that off also Iv been bankrupt and need to pay more than 10.000 back is there no way my child maintenance can get reduced

Our Response:
Your only recourse is to appeal if you think you have been treated unfairly, please see the link here.
SeparatedDads - 21-Sep-18 @ 11:42 AM
Hi I have two children with my ex wife she has moved to wales with her new partner I also have got married and have a child to support I have to pay 475 every month towards csa but I’m struggling financially due to her putting me in debt aswell and leaving it all to me I will be paying that off also Iv been bankrupt and need to pay more than 10.000 back is there no way my child maintenance can get reduced
Shaz - 20-Sep-18 @ 9:50 AM
Hi, I currently pay my ex £290 a month. She lives with her new partner and their new baby. I also have a new baby with my new partner now and I’m struggling. Does my payments to my ex partner go down at all now I have a new baby to provide for as well?
Dave - 5-Sep-18 @ 7:52 PM
lee - Your Question:
Can I ask my daughter is now 17 still living at home with her mother and is at collage she is doing a very basic course just enough to be classed as full time 12 hours as advised to do by her mother is it true I have to keep paying full support for her until she is 20

Our Response:
You will be expected to continue to pay while the mother is still deemed eligible to claim child benefit, as child benefit and child maintenance run hand-in-hand. Please see link here, which includes the list of the courses that are considered government approved.
SeparatedDads - 23-Jul-18 @ 3:42 PM
can I ask my daughter is now 17 still living at home with her mother and is at collage she is doing a very basic course just enough to be classed as full time 12 hours as advised to do by her mother is it true I have to keep paying full support for her until she is 20
lee - 23-Jul-18 @ 3:39 PM
Davidddd - Your Question:
Hi all I currently pay 325 csa I'm looking into moving in with my new partner she has 2 children 1 being disabled just wondering will my csa go down when I move? I wouldn't mind paying it if it went on my kids but it doesn't

Our Response:
You are not financially obligated to helping support your new partner's children (that is the proviso of their own father). Therefore, your child maintenance payments will not change.
SeparatedDads - 28-Jun-18 @ 11:27 AM
Hi all I currently pay 325 csa I'm looking into moving in with my new partner she has 2 children 1 being disabled just wondering will my csa go down when I move? I wouldn't mind paying it if it went on my kids but it doesn't
Davidddd - 27-Jun-18 @ 11:12 AM
HiteshP74 - Your Question:
Hi All,I would like to find out if I still need to pay or reduce the amount I give for Child Maintenance to my ex wife if she is now in a new relationship?As we couldn't come to an agreement on how much I should pay to my two children, we decided to use CSA to work it out for us. I do also pay additional costs to the children's other activities (School clothes, swimming, tennis, trust fund etc) which is not covered by CSA and that I'm still willing to continue to pay, but as she now has a second income do I still need to pay it?It just feels like I'll be paying for him as well as the ex wife and kids.Any advice is greatly appreciatedHitesh.

Our Response:
Your ex's new partner is not financially responsible for supporting your children. Therefore, you would continue to pay child maintenance. Child maintenance is not based on your ex's income, but yours.
SeparatedDads - 19-Jun-18 @ 3:12 PM
Hi All, I would like to find out if I still need to pay or reduce the amount I give for Child Maintenance to my ex wife if she is now in a new relationship? As we couldn't come to an agreement on how much I should pay to my two children, we decided to use CSA to work it out for us.I do also pay additional costs to the children's other activities (School clothes, swimming, tennis, trust fund etc) which is not covered by CSA and that I'm still willing to continue to pay, but as she now has a second income do I still need to pay it? It just feels like I'll be paying for him as well as the ex wife and kids. Any advice is greatly appreciated Hitesh.
HiteshP74 - 19-Jun-18 @ 11:25 AM
James - Your Question:
Hi, My ex-partner and I had four children together but when the relationship broke down she moved the Children 390 miles away without my consent. We were not married but I have found it very difficult to raise the money to take her to court as she completely cut contact with me leaving no number or address. She was very abusive toward me physically, mentally and financially and left me with many fraudulent debts which also has had an impact on my income. I would like to see my children but am unsure how I would go about this and whether I could get a reduction in my £400 a month maintenance payments if I travel to see them.

Our Response:
There is help on several counts. Firstly, your ex should have requested consent to move your children out of the area (if you have parental responsibility). Had you have responded to this immediately by taking the matter to court, then (dependent upon the circumstances, situation and reasons she moved) then the court could have ordered your ex to move back with your kids. However, this has now passed and presumably the kids are settled in the new area etc. If you have to travel to see your kids, then you may be able to apply for a child maintenance variation, please see link here . If you have not seen your kids, but you cannot afford legal representation in court, you can self-litigate, please see link here . You would have to apply for a child arrangement order, please see link here . If you still do not have the address, you can also fill in a C4 form (alongside the child arrangement order C100 form). The C4 is an application for an order for disclosure of a child's whereabouts, please see link here . It allows the court to trace your kids, so you can bring the matter to court. The Separated Dads Forum may also help you further if you need court case advice.
SeparatedDads - 8-Jun-18 @ 9:41 AM
Hi, My ex-partner and I had four children together but when the relationship broke down she moved the Children 390 miles away without my consent. We were not married but I have found it very difficult to raise the money to take her to court as she completely cut contact with me leaving no number or address. She was very abusive toward me physically, mentally and financially and left me with many fraudulent debts which also has had an impact on my income. I would like to see my children but am unsure how I would go about this and whether I could get a reduction in my £400 a month maintenance payments if I travel to see them.
James - 7-Jun-18 @ 2:32 PM
Rob - Your Question:
Just need some advice I have an agreement with my ex to pay £230 a month but I drive 220 miles each way to see my little girl can I claim fuel again my child maintence payment or not?Thanks in advance

Our Response:
You can see more about child maintenance variations via the link here , which will explain all you need to know.
SeparatedDads - 13-Apr-18 @ 10:53 AM
Just need some advice I have an agreement with my ex to pay £230 a month but I drive 220 miles each way to see my little girl can I claim fuel again my child maintence payment or not? Thanks in advance
Rob - 12-Apr-18 @ 12:33 AM
Richard - Your Question:
Can anyone help please. I have not seen my son since August 2015 his second birthday. I have no idea where he lives or how he is and the last photo I received was Christmas day 2015. I was paying maintenance directly through the bank into his mother’s account around 1000 a month and due to no contact decided to reduce this to £600.00 in a bid for contact to be made through the email I sent up when he was born; this is still set up. After 8 months with still no contact I reduced payments further to £300.00 – I took a call from the CSA advising my case was with them and asked for £619.00 a month; I declined to pay stating I want to know where my son lives. They were simply not interested and I was treated like a scum.To cut to the chase they now directly take from my wages £769 a month and yet I still have no idea where my son is living, if he is actually receiving this money and if he is ok. I want to know my son is ok – can anyone suggest anything please.

Our Response:
I am sorry to hear this. However, child access and child maintenance are completely separate issues and are not dependent upon each other and not to be confused. The non-resident biological parent is by law responsible for paying towards the day-to-day care of their child whether they see their child or not. For reasons of confidentiality and data-protection, CSA/CMS is understandably not allowed by law to divulge the address of your ex. If you wish to see your child, then you would have to apply to court for access, please see link here. If you are on a low income you may be able to get a reduction in court fees, please se link here . If you cannot afford legal representation in court, please see link here. With regards to tracing your child, with the child arrangement form you can fill in a C4 form. This is an application for an order for disclosure of a child’s whereabouts. This allows the court to put a trace of your child in order to allow you to bring the matter to court.
SeparatedDads - 10-Apr-18 @ 11:36 AM
Can anyone help please. I have not seen my son since August 2015 his second birthday. I have no idea where he lives or how he is and the last photo I received was Christmas day 2015. I was paying maintenance directly through the bank into his mother’s account around 1000 a month and due to no contact decided to reduce this to £600.00 in a bid for contact to be made through the email I sent up when he was born; this is still set up. After 8 months with still no contact I reduced payments further to £300.00 – I took a call from the CSA advising my case was with them and asked for £619.00 a month; I declined to pay stating I want to know where my son lives. They were simply not interested and I was treated like a scum. To cut to the chase they now directly take from my wages £769 a month and yet I still have no idea where my son is living, if he is actually receiving this money and if he is ok. I want to know my son is ok – can anyone suggest anything please.
Richard - 9-Apr-18 @ 5:41 PM
Can someone offer some advice please. I have an 18 yr who has recently given birth to a child and I am being expected to continue payments for maintenance as CB is still being paid for my adult child. I believe child benefit is being claimed fraudulently as my child is not and not been in education since September. CMS say as long as CB is paid I have to pay and as long as they plan to enter into education I have to pay. My issue though is she is now a parent and surely claiming CB for her child so an adult in her own right??
Bud41 - 27-Feb-18 @ 7:02 PM
Hi, I moved to the States a year and a half ago with my now American wife.I have a 13 year old daughter who I wish to visit me for 6 weeks in the summer holidays.My daughter wants to come here for the full duration however her mother only agrees to 3.I think she's being unreasonable wbu only allowing me to see her for 3 weeks out of 52. Where do I stand or will I have to go to court to get court permission.
Dreday - 1-Feb-18 @ 2:16 AM
MAH - Your Question:
Hi, I've been separated for 5 years now from my wife and 3 children, I used to have a family based arrangement which was fine, but my ex has now moved 200 miles away with new partner, and also gone through C.M. direct pay which has now caused me financial difficulties. I have had to move out of my rented 2 bed flat (which I had so the children could stay over) to a 1 bed flat, ( which now makes it extremely difficult for then to stay now). as well as to see them I have to do all the travel there and back to see them as she refuses to share journey costing me a fortune on fuel. now due to all these expenses. I cant see my children because after C.M. has taken payment I am left with only enough to pay rent and utility bills, not even enough for a proper food budget, let alone fuel to see my children.I have written several times to my ex pleading to make an alternative arrangement but refuses to answer me. I can't go via a legal route as have no funding to cover it.please can you offer advice.thankyou

Our Response:
If you’re the parent paying maintenance under the 2012 Child Maintenance Scheme and you have certain expenses, you may be able to ask the Child Maintenance Service (CMS) to adjust the amount of maintenance you should pay, please see link here . If you cannot afford to take the matter to court, and you are on a low income you might get a reduction in court fees, please see link here . Likewise, if you cannot afford legal representation, you can self-litigate, please see link here. You cannot force your ex into a family-based child maintenance arrangement, your only legal recourse is to ask the court to request that she possibly shares the journey. As in all cases, the court’s main concern is the welfare of the child in question. The court will always put the child’s best interests first and this main issue will determine the outcome of any application for an order.
SeparatedDads - 23-Jan-18 @ 10:57 AM
Hi, I've been separated for 5 years now from my wife and 3 children, I used to have a family based arrangement which was fine, but my ex has now moved 200 miles away with new partner, and also gone through C.M. direct pay which has now caused me financial difficulties. I have had to move out of my rented 2 bed flat (which I had so the children could stay over) to a 1 bed flat, ( which now makes it extremely difficult for then to stay now).. as well as to see them I have to do all the travel there and back to see them as she refuses to share journey costing me a fortune on fuel .... now due to all these expenses .... i cant see my children because after C.M. has taken payment I am left with only enough to pay rent and utility bills, not even enough for a proper food budget, let alone fuel to see my children...I have written several times to my ex pleading to make an alternative arrangement but refuses to answer me. I can't go via a legal route as have no funding to cover it....please can you offer advice..thankyou
MAH - 22-Jan-18 @ 5:38 PM
Pete - Your Question:
Hi, I spend £7000 a year in travel and accommodation so I can keep up contact with my son. Child Mainantence Service have taken a variation and have only reduced my weekly payment to my ex by £20. It doesn't add up. Any advice please. It's all to do with the gross business I think, a I right?Thanks.

Our Response:
If you are unhappy with the result of this decision, you may be allowed to appeal, please see link here. We cannot comment upon whether CMS is correct or not, or how this decision was reached as we do not have knowledge of CMS administrative processes.
SeparatedDads - 18-Jan-18 @ 2:20 PM
Tim - Your Question:
Hello everyone,My ex-partner is denying me access to my child because we don't agree on the child maintenance.It is my understanding that issues regarding finances can legally not be mixed with matters regarding contact with the child.Unfortunately I cannot find any references to this law online.I would like to show this law to my ex-partner to show her that was she is doing is illegal - and hopefully I can see my child again, while we resolve our differences.Any advise would be very welcome.Regards,Tim

Our Response:
There is nothing specific to say that it is 'illegal'. It is correct when you say your ex should not/ cannot use child maintenance disagreements as an excuse for keeping your child away from you. No court would accept this as a valid reason. However, unless you can agree between yourselves or via mediation, then your only option would be to apply to court in order to request a contact order. In this case, the court would also decide your maintenance arrangements. Then both you and your ex would have to keep to the court order. You can see how much you should be paying (which can be used as a good benchmark) via the link here. As court is seen as the last resort, mediation may help you both to come to an agreement, please see link here.
SeparatedDads - 18-Jan-18 @ 10:16 AM
Hello everyone, My ex-partner is denying me access to my child because we don't agree on the child maintenance. It is my understanding that issues regarding finances can legally not be mixed with matters regarding contact with the child. Unfortunately I cannot find any references to this law online. I would like to show this law to my ex-partner to show her that was she is doing is illegal - and hopefully I can see my child again, while we resolve our differences. Any advise would be very welcome. Regards, Tim
Tim - 17-Jan-18 @ 4:17 PM
Hi, I spend £7000 a year in travel and accommodation so I can keep up contact with my son. Child Mainantence Service have taken a variation and have only reduced my weekly payment to my ex by £20. It doesn't add up. Any advice please. It's all to do with the gross business I think, a I right? Thanks.
Pete - 16-Jan-18 @ 10:02 PM
Hi, After some advise if possible. Split with my ex partner mid of last year due to concerns she was speaking with other people and not being faithful. Not married thankfully. We own a house jointly and I moved out reluctantly as she stated if I stayed there she would move out and not let me see my children. I reluctantly moved In with parent and have come to an agreement where I see my children every other weekend and once in week. I am paying quite a lot in CM due to a high income and also paying half of the mortgage even though not living there is this correct? Wasn't sure if my CM payments would cover this? Hate the fact of not seeing my children on a daily basis and grow up and have just started to comethrough the bitterness stage as the last few months have been horrendous. Its been nice (well not nice for other suffering dad's) to read threads on this site that give an insight aswell as advise which has enlightened me also. Many thanks for your help.
Londonbased - 5-Jan-18 @ 12:36 PM
JP- Your Question:
Hi I’m currently paying £70 per week maintenance on an informal arrangement with my ex partner , which is broadly in line with child maintenance calculator based on my earnings My ex and child live in a house I have paid for , and am paying mortgage on which was raised on other properties I own solely Our existing jointly owned house I have lived in since our separation , no repair / upkeep / costs have been met by my ex in the 2.5 years we have been separated I paid for this house outright using savings and by raising a mortgage on two rental properties I owned , meaning I’m still paying this back and can if I so wish get her beneficial interest in the property down to a small amount if it were ordered it should be sold At the moment she is alienating me from the child’s life and making life difficult , after 2 years of shared custody , following me having a new relationship recently she has manipulated my child to a degree where she doesn’t want to see me as she knows how her mother reacts when she sees me and has a good time I need to address all issues and wonder wether I am within my rights to stop maintenance payments as her accommodation and running costs are far in excess of maintenance I would keep the maintenance payments in a separate account for my child’s future use such as if at Uni , house deposit etc Any advice much needed and appreciated

Our Response:
I would not advise you to stop child maintenance payments. Child maintenance payments and any other financial issues are separate from each other i.e as the non-resident parent, you are responsible by law to financially support your child's daily needs. Any other issues should be dealt with separately, either mutually, via mediation, or through court. If you have a family-based arrangement, then your ex will have the option to apply through CMS and child maintenance payments and costs would be attributed to this arrangement. Also, child maintenance is solely based upon your earnings not what assets you own etc - which is a different matter. Only if your ex agrees to your suggestion, would this be a workable arrangement.
SeparatedDads - 1-Dec-17 @ 12:41 PM
Hi I’m currently paying £70 per week maintenance on an informal arrangement with my ex partner , which is broadly in line with child maintenance calculator based on my earnings My ex and child live in a house I have paid for , and am paying mortgage on which was raised on other properties I own solely Our existing jointly owned house I have lived in since our separation , no repair / upkeep / costs have been met by my ex in the 2.5 years we have been separated I paid for this house outright using savings and by raising a mortgage on two rental properties I owned , meaning I’m still paying this back and can if I so wish get her beneficial interest in the property down to a small amount if it were ordered it should be sold At the moment she is alienating me from the child’s life and making life difficult , after 2 years of shared custody , following me having a new relationship recently she has manipulated my child to a degree where she doesn’t want to see me as she knows how her mother reacts when she sees me and has a good time I need to address all issues and wonder wether I am within my rights to stop maintenance payments as her accommodation and running costs are far in excess of maintenance I would keep the maintenance payments in a separate account for my child’s future use such as if at Uni , house deposit etc Any advice much needed and appreciated
JP - 30-Nov-17 @ 11:05 PM
Lopl - Your Question:
Hi, I have recently moved in with my partner. He has 3 children with his ex. They did have a mutual agreement that he would have them for 3 nights every week and they calculated together the maintenance fees together. He was paying maintenance every week to her as agreed of £49. Since I moved in with my partner she says that my partner has not been paying enough maintenance, even though they calculated it together, and now that I have moved in his payments should go up. She is due to have a baby with a new partner in february. When this baby is due will he be able to reduce his payments to her?

Our Response:
In a family-based child maintenance arrangement, then it is up to both parents to agree a figure. However, if one parent doesn't agree, they can approach CMS. The CMS calculator gives a good benchmark figure in which to base child maintenance payments around, please see link here. Once the matter goes to CMS to decide, then charges are placed on both parents, so it is always best to agree such an issue mutually.
SeparatedDads - 28-Nov-17 @ 3:09 PM
Hi, I have recently moved in with my partner. He has 3 children with his ex. They did have a mutual agreement that he would have them for 3 nights every week and they calculated together the maintenance fees together. He was paying maintenance every week to her as agreed of £49. Since I moved in with my partner she says that my partner has not been paying enough maintenance, even though they calculated it together, and now that I have moved in his payments should go up. She is due to have a baby with a new partner in february. When this baby is due will he be able to reduce his payments to her?
Lopl - 26-Nov-17 @ 2:03 PM
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