How can I obtain a Contact Order when I don't have an address for my wife and children? I only know the town they live in which is 100 miles plus away.
First of all, in order to be eligible for a Contact Order, you must have what’s known as Parental Responsibility, which means either that you’re listed on the birth certificates of the children as the father, or you’ve obtained a Parental Responsibility Order (see our article on Your Separated Father's Rights).
When you're ready to apply for a Contact Order, you'll need to complete the correct court paperwork, so use our free Court Form Finder.
Part of Parental Responsibility is the responsibility part, which means you’re almost certainly Paying Child Support of some kind. If you don’t have your ex’s address, it will likely be via the CSA (Child Support Agency).
However, don’t despair if you don’t have an address for your ex. You can go through the courts to obtain a contact order that will allow you time with your children.
You can apply to the court yourself, you will have to pay to submit your form but it is cheaper than the cost of a solicitor. You can use our article Which Court Form Do I Need? to find out which form to use and how to apply. From then on in you can represent yourself in court and with a little research you will be able to present to the court your expectations for contact and why you should be granted it. Read our article Representing Yourself in Court to get yourself started.

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Courts tend to work on a principle called “presumption of contact”, under which they do everything possible for a father to have contact with his children.
They will want a report on whether you can meet the needs of the child during a contact period, whether there’s any chance of harm coming to the child during contact, what the child desires, as well as their emotional and educational needs.
Although that sounds like a lot, it’s reassuring to know that some 90% of all Contact Orders are granted. If there’s a hearing then there will need to be a report from the Children and Family Court Advisory and Support Service officer, and interview with you, your ex, and others.
It sounds involved, and it does take some time, but bear in mind that it’s really all in the interests of the children.
So the first real step is for you or your solicitor, if you choose to hire one, to petition the court to grant you a Contact Order for your children. It’s helpful if you can supply their address, but it’s not mandatory, and you’re not the only one who’s not in possession of his ex’s address.
From there the court will contact your ex, and in the best of all possible worlds, they’ll work out an amicable arrangement.
Your situation may be slightly different. ask a question below ↓ and our editorial team will reply with our advice.
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I am a believer that all children need both parents in there lives even though we don’t get along this isn’t about us this is about the boys welfare
I recently commented here a few weeks ago about applying to the court for a fair arrangement to be made and how the legal system and solicitors are slightly bias against fathers...even when you are doing your best!
I had second thoughts and decided to try mediation again, my ex would only go on the basis that I had to pay for the both of us! All I will say is pick your mediator carefully and have a couple of plans for what you feel is best for the kids and what also works for you before you go. The mediator can help, but I found I had to fight my corner and had to explain myself and how I can look after my children whereas my ex didn't. We are tying a new arrangement but I do still feel the system is bias as I had to work harder to come to an agreement and felt outnumbered in our session. Mediation works as well as you want it to. It's best to try sort things out in 1 appointment so it's not costing you going back for more appointments.
I hope some of this info can help or give some insight to fathers who are just starting out in this process. If you are going to your first mediation, it is very difficult but, be ready to negotiate, do not give into submission or pressure, be confident, stay calm, be polite, stick to your guns and don't agree to something you think is not right for the children or yourself. Dads do matter.
the girls a negative opinion on me which i dont think she should have.What rights do i have for access to my kids as i feel they are missing out by not having contact with me and i would do anything to be able to speak with them.
My friend is currently being denied contact with his child. His partner has saved a raft of messages sent from his saying aggressive and violent things, he suffers from mental health issues and has regularly uses cannabis.
She has refused the idea of a contact centre and/or MIAM meeting and has insisted things should go through the courts. He can't afford legal representation.
Is this legal? And can I represent him as a McKenzie Friend. Would her solicitor only engage exclusively with my friend and not myself?
Any help is appreciated.
I’ve had to remain in Singapore in my to meet my financial responsibilities as set out in the FDR. We have an informal contact agreement which means I see the children in every school holiday total of 5 weeks a year with every alternate Christmas, I’m currently flying back to the UK. My ex-wife is becoming increasingly more difficult to deal with, demanding I take my children to specific locations within the UK and undertake specific activities with them. They reside in Leeds and I’ve informed her I want to spend a week in Surrey , and she claims it’s too far away and she will not allow it. I was in the UK for summer holidays (August), and we spent that time in the Cotswold’s approx. the same distance away from Leeds. I want to be able to spend time with my children where and how I please, they have immediate family (grandmother , Aunty & Uncle) in Australia that they’ve not seen in over 18mth do to her refusal to allow the kids to travel, which she claims is in the children’s best interest.
I’ve gone through the C100 document and it appears under Section13e – Other exemptions – As the prospective applicant or all of the prospective respondents are not habitually resident in England and Wales . I do not have to go through MIAM
Can I get a contact order that states I can take the children wherever I choose and do things that we enjoy as a family?
No I need to be physically present in court at the direction hearing and subsequent hearings? As I reside in Singapore in a highly demanding job.
I also need the children to fly unaccompanied to Singapore when they both reach the legal age to do so as its not practical from a financial standpoint for me to travel to Leeds to pick them up and take them to Australia.
I broke up with my EX a year ago now. It didn't end on the best of terms. I started seeing a new women around the same time of the break up and my ex demanded she was not allowed around my children while I had them. I have agreed to this for a year. I pay for my children every month. Me and my partner have now moved into my new property together and I am not kicking her out of our home just because my ex says so. Because of this she is now going to stop me seeing them unless my partner doesn't see them which I am not willing to do anymore as I do not want her dictating what she can and cant do with my life with our children. She has told me to take her to court as she feels that the children wouldn't be safe with me. EVEN though I have them every weekend !! I don't know where to go or what to do because of this. I don't want it to drag out as I just want a normal life with my children. Where do I start and what procedure do I have to follow ???
I now what contact but I am a stranger. I want me son to write me letters, Skype and send pictures. I don't know how to go about getting access so it's legal and I don't have to rely on my ex and so I get something in contact terms.
I need to know if I have to pay back dated maintenance. I agreed to my son attending a private school but I hear that court orders include fees and my ex gets a big discount because she's military. I have said I don't want to to go now so I don't have to pay extra if she gets a court order, as the fees are classed as reasonable. I want him to go to a state school instead now. Can I force her to put him in one?
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Me and my ex partner have been separated for several years now. He has always had fortnightly access of our two boys. A couple of months ago my eldest son did not want to see his dad and both me and my current partner did all we could to persuade him to resume contact and he did after missing two lots of contact. During that time his father had already chose to go down the legal route of getting a solicitor. I had a letter about mediation which I booked an appointment for but then seen as my son had resumed contact and everything was fine I no longer felt the need for it so rang up and cancelled. Recently I've even allowed more access time for their father allowing him to both pick them up from school and drop them back on his access weekends. Today I received court papers saying he's taking me to court for a contact order!? I'm confused as to where I stand with this as he has access and in the last 7 years it's only been affected once as explained above. Where do I go from here
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My wife seems to believe that courts can force our kids to see her but I believe that they have the right to refuse. Who is correct? Surely they have a right not to be forced to see her if they don't want to?
Can we apply for a contact order for the children (I know it is a long shot for the 17 year old) but my partner has not seen his children in a year and has contacted the mother but to no avail. His has text the children etc but again no response and birthday cards are now being returned.
We have sent a letter to the mother requesting access maintenance is paid on time every month, and up to a year ago contact was not regular but at least allowed once every 3 months if lucky.
What can we now do?
Lately she says our daughter has mental health issues she attributes to 'trauma' (!?) and is taking her to see a counsellor who agrees (!) but won't tell me who or when. She did not want to take her to see a doctor, which I suggested at the outset.
She is now using the mental health issue as a reason for me to spend less time with her 'because she needs to be at home'.
I have NEVER seen my daughter behave in the ways she describes. She appears happy, bright, confident, stable, secure, present...my friends say the same things of her. My relationship with her has been great in the short times we have - until, at the end of my tether one day (being told what I was allowed to say to my daughter) I told her mother I would be contacting a solicitor to see that I get to spend meaningful time with my daughter and can be involved in her 'assessment/treatment'.
My daughter is now cold towards me, recites things her mother has told her, and sees me as a threat who she does not want to see because I upset her mum.
I have been trying to get her mother to agree to mediation but she says I need to get mediation to communicate with my daughter and understand 'her' needs and not be selfish. From experience it is pointless trying to discuss things with her mother myself- it is clear to me she would rather I did not exist.
I have so much to offer my daughter- with school work, fun times, holidays, we have had some terrific (though usually short) times, although her mother won't leave her alone and keeps texting/calling which is very annoying. Even in my current 3 hrs per week!
It feels like I am losing my daughter and it makes me really sad to see her look at me how she does now.
I know the mother is making out that I am doing something bad by persisting with the mediation route, and I think she is scared of losing absolute control. I suspect she is emotionally dependent on our daughter and I fear that the harder I try the worse she will make it for me.
They said they would get wittiness that I hit them and make up things so I can't have my son. I saw my son st his school I sneaked there and he is 12 and he asked me to get help and see lawyers so he can spend time with me as he misses me he hates it that his older brothers control him through religion and force and he just wants to see me. I don't have much money as I'm working to pay for her lifestyle and she is in a house with 250k equity in it and I said it's yours I want to move on and start again but want access to my son but no joy
I haven't seen my 11 year old since last June when she went heme to ask her mother if she could attend my wedding. I just want to no what's best for me to do as I don't just want to attended to be sent back to try mediation. I want a consent order that says as and when I can see my daughter every week alternate weekends. Is this reasonable or is there a better approach?
When my grandson was barely a year she handed him over to my son as she couldn't cope but when he applied for the financial help (of which she was getting) she picked him up for her regular weekly visit and refused to bring him back. After this she stopped him from seeing him and since then contact has been irregular or non existent due to her changing the goal posts
He went through a contact centre at her request and she then refused access after 4 visits. Next he went mediation at her request she refused saying take me to court
Just before Xmas she decided he could see his child which went great all through December and beginning of Jan and then one weekend she said no more visits as you're a useless father and have your priorities wrong
I know my son is no angel but this poor boy just wants to see his father
Where do we go from here as I truly believe bat even if we go to court she will still refuse him access
I need advice.
My wife has walked out saying she can't do it any more.
We have very rarely had cross words, had two amazing kids and she got anything that she wanted.
I have offered her the the family home, she didn't want it. Just wants ours sold.
Now its the kids. They are my world and I was under the impression that it would be half with her and half with me and she agreed to that but not on paper. Now it's yes still half with me and half with her "FOR NOW" I'd have them with me 24/7 full time dad and all that. For you guys that have been there, what would the chances of me getting custody of my kids. I want nothing from her in financial terms.
How do I go about this?
M
Wondering if you could offer some advice my partners ex is refusing him access to his daughter and will only allow him 6 hours with her. She won't let him pick her up and she insists that she is dropped off at his mams house for him to collect. My partners Mother doesn't want to the intermediary anymore as it's causing stress and friction. His ex has initiated mediation and is threatening to take him to court however he's not sure of the reason when she has all the power. He only sees her for these 6 hours a week and it is entirely on her terms and if she decides to show up or not. Where does he go from here?
My 2 year old lives with me(dad) for last 19 months, due serious concerns, from local authority and a long court process, this was finish jan2015.
The mother took me back to court in dec2015 for custody but didn't get anywhere. The courts issued weekend contact on condition that an undertaking was signed by the mother, as her partner as an serious allegation on him under a different name, which this person is not allowed to have any contact or stay at the home while my son in his mums care.
She has breach this 4 times since the order was granted, aswell as not turning up for contact.
I have contacted local authority and the police who cant do anything as the order does not state what powers they have, but they have told me to go back to court.
I wonder if anybody can give some advice what to do, or how to ask the courts.
I cant afford solicitor and the previous court hearings I represented myself, with advice from all agencies involved with my son.
My ex does not let me see my boys very much and only if it's round her house or if she is there. I haven't seen them for two weeks now and have two wait another two weeks. She will not let me have them over night and I believe I have been nice about the situation but I can't do it anymore and want to see my boys.
Can you please inform me or give advice on what I can do so I can see them.
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I swapped my weekend visit with my son to help out my ex as she asked and at the time I said it was a massive pain for me to do but I did it to help her as it was for her college course. It was only on a Saturday day. Now I have him all weekend but need to swap it back for work and she is refusing. What can I do?
He is named on birth certificate and she does have his surname, I have applied to court to change this to mine recently and they have notified father who is attending the hearing.
I obviously feel like he doesn't deserve a day in the matter. I'm just worried he might now apply for contact again.
He and his ex Partner have a child which is just 4 years of age , they have separated in May last Year , and its going downhill fast. Whilst the the Child has severe Health Issues and will have for the Rest of her life , she is a sweet little thing . Whilst my son is a serving Soldier in Germany , which he has been since they were going out together , she now holds this against him at any given Time. When he is on leave he can only visit on her terms , which is okay most of the Time , but sometimes he only comes home on the Weekend and time spend with his Daughter is precious.Whilst the child has to have a carer at all times , it takes time to arrange everything to get her to our House which is not always granted.Now she wont contact him at all regarding the child , he will tex her every Day and ask about the child , but she wont get back to him , we as grand Parents are allowed to see her all the time , and we supply anything she needs . Our son pays Maintenance every Month , we just need to know is there anything he can do , they never going to be best Friends , but he should be able to see his daughter and be told what Hospital appointments are due and when . And no he is not on the Birth Document. Any advice would be appreciated.
The thing is there is another mans name on the birth certificate
Her mother will not attend court to sort this out can a judge make the assumption if someone else is named the father or will they force her to take a Dna test
He separated from his partner 8years ago in which they have a 10year old son. He was in contact with the boy and paying child maintenance (on their own terms) up until 4 years ago when the woman became increasingly difficult. She was always demanding for more money and only allowing my partner to see the son as to her own discretion, whenever and wherever she wanted. His name is actually recorded on the birth certificate of the child.
Eventually, she cut off all forms of communication with my partner and move to another city without informing him. At the same time, she applied for CSA without my partner's knowledge and he has been paying child support through CSA for the last 4years. Yet he's not seen his son throughout the past 4 years. We only gathered that she moved to another city through her relatives but no one is telling us where exactly she lives. My partner in despair, has contacted a lawyer to apply for a court order in order to do everything in a legal manner. On the day of the hearing, her ex actually informed the judge she has move to another city and no longer lives in the address stated (which is another lie to delay the father seeing the child). This happened in October.
So a new application has to be made to where her ex currently resides. As of the latest, we heard she has move up to Scotland but we are not too sure. Is there any way in which we could obtain any information about her latest address? Would CSA be able to disclose this information? All the time they remain everything is Private and Confidential yet my partner has been paying child support every month yet not being able to see his son. This is so unfair! Please advice.
Thank you for your replies and advice guys, much appreciated.
My wife and I have recently seperated partly because she would not allow me to spend unsupervied time with our 3yr old son. Whilst I see him most days, this in only when she is present and she will not allow me to be with him outside of the home without supervision. The only reason she gives is that I have not had enough experiance with children. I am a responsible adult and am not a risk in anyway. I believe she has attachment issues as she will not allow anyone to be with our son unsupervised except her parents (where she and my son now live) and the play school teachers.
I want to be able to have an independant relationship with my son and have been given lots of conflicting advise about how to achieve this. Some have said mediation then court order and others have advised me to go straight to a barrister who will then set up mediation and not a solicitor. I don't understand the legal process and really need advise on the right way to get shared custody. Can anyone help?
Is it likely that a court would order me to have the children 50% of the time and effectively force me to give up the work that I do (which, I suspect, is what my wife is trying to achieve)?
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I had a similar problem years ago. I tackled the situation by going through the school. The Father can go to the school or Nursery to see his children. If the school interfere's then just let your solicitor kn ow or complain to the courts yourself, that's what I did. In my case the court sited the school as a contact point for me to see my children and that way if anybody interfere's they would be in breach of the court order and would have to answer to a Judge, obviously the school had to back down and allow access. Good Luck.!
My ex wants to move back to Canada and take our daughter with her! How on earth can I maintain my relationship with my little girl(6)?!
Ex's solicitor talks about FaceTime, Skype etc but there's a 7-hour time difference. I'm going to be reduced to 3-weeks a year, if lucky. Ex has so far refused to discuss her plan. Awaiting her application, but how can I guarantee regular contact? Already had one brutal experience of very partisan pro-mother judge (male). Any advice appreciated
The main issue is, she will not meet me half way between, so I have for the last 2 years had to travel 6 hrs to see them and another 6 hrs to get home. I have also had to pay for hotels to stay in as i have now where else to go with them. If she meet me half way I could take them back to my home and be comfortable with them, not in a hotel room. I have offered to pay her petrol money, but all i get is i am to busy and my time is precious. Where do I stand legally,
1 to see my children on a regular basis, as when I do try and even go and see them, i can not, as she is busy (I do pay her maintenance every month also)
2 With a court order, can that make her travel half way.
Be strong .resolute and it slowly works out. Im finding judges. Amiable and understanding.this is about childrens rights to see you.
Me and my ex split up over a year and a half ago, we tried to make a agreement between us again and again, so I can see my daughter on a regular basis. It's never worked as she can always say no to me. I provided for my daughter every week as I could not trust her With the cash I was giving her. So I made a savings account for my daughter. I have currently moved away from where my daughter lives because I needed a fresh start and to change my life around witch is goin very well. All I want is to see my daughter on a regular basis. What way shall I go round this situation ?
How is it that he has received a letter from a family law firm allowing him just a couple of hours contact at a contact centre once a fortnight, when he is not the agressor?
She has also smashed up his previous children's toys, won't allow him to see them and if he ever does, spends all the time texting to get him back home again.
My son now has no home, he is sleeping on friends sofas, he has no job because he gave up his job, to become a full time father so that his wife could go to work which was what she wanted. He sold his house and put everything he had into her house so now has nothing. He is a wreck, physically, mentally and financially.
He can't see his little boy today and I have never seen anyone in such a state - it is like watching someone bereaved. There is nothing that my husband and I can do or say to help him and I am terrified what he might do to himself. He is not sleeping and the doctor wasn't helpful at all.
He has been attacked with a broken bottle against his throat , locked out all night in the garden with no access to clothing, car keys, phone etc. He had to barrack himself in the living room to stop her from attacking him and she starts drinking at lunchtime and continues until bedtime. He wouldn't leave her because he was afraid to because she would be left in that state with the baby.
His wife looks to all intents and purposes like an extremely well dressed, caring, perfectly normal wife, she is not a down and out or anything remotely like that.
Would someone please, please tell me how social services can be conned, and still support someone who behaves in this sub-human way.
We dread every day in case of what we might hear has happened, and yet when he does come to see us we don't know what to say to help him.
Our whole family is supportive of him but that is of no help to him because he feels he has failed everyone.
He is trying for legal aid but can't provide all the paperwork he needs as it is in the marital home and she has told police she can't find it.
Please, someone help us to help him.
Rupert Bear
only way around it that I could see is combine holidays when it is his weekend which coincides with a school hol, lengthening the time. But keeping him until the Sunday in half term, will just make things a hundred times worse.
There have already been several counts of denial of contact which are currently being dealt by the Court. At very short notice, the Mother has decided that 'school Holiday' is strictly Monday to Friday and does not include the weekend adjacent unless it happened to be my Nephew's weekend, she reasoning that the child does not attend school at weekends. So , for example, The Child would have to be returned each weekend during my nephews half of the school summer holiday.
Having already arranged a trip away for the half term next week (Oct 2014), he has now been told by the mother that he must return him by the Friday night rather than the Sunday as was always the case in the past. As usual there is simply no help or advice to be got from the Court - they are so slow in responding in any way and even slower to act.
Could you point us towards any custom and practice, Guidance Notes or Case Law legal ruling on this or similar matters please?
What legal ramifications might there be if he ignored the Mothers decision and did not return him till the Sunday .... something I am currently advising against
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